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Re: Womb Music (Rik Schaffer and his wife Margaret Tang) also out?
« Reply #15 on: December 08, 2020, 09:12:17 pm »
Why do you think there is so much silence with this game currently? So much behind the scenes and no explanation and the last gameplay we got was over a year ago.

I honestly have no idea, but if I should make a guess, I fear that Mitsoda was not allowed to repeat his style of writing for Bloodlines 2 because today a lot of it would not be politically correct anymore. Characters like the Malkavian player, Larry or the Asian hitmen wouldn't be allowed by Paradox judging from what I know of V5 and them closing down White Wolf US. So maybe they are busy streamlining the game and removing all of this making sure that nobody is offended...

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Re: Womb Music (Rik Schaffer and his wife Margaret Tang) also out?
« Reply #16 on: December 08, 2020, 09:14:16 pm »
Why do you think there is so much silence with this game currently? So much behind the scenes and no explanation and the last gameplay we got was over a year ago.
I am not Wesp but right now there is no news because Cyberpunk and before because of the layloffs. Or they haven´t anything good to show. Remember the Damsel trailer was the best they had for a E3 show, sorry Paradox's own E3 show.
Or maybe Hardsuit Labs was never a good studio in the first place, also they hadn´t made a RPG before.
but if I should make a guess, I fear that Mitsoda was not allowed to repeat his style of writing for Bloodlines 2 because today a lot of it would not be politically correct anymore.
I personal don´t believe that because this wourld just be the explanation for Mitsoda. But all major devs have left the project, even Cara Ellison.
My current theory is that Mitsoda and Cluney had known how to make a RPG but the rest of Hardsuit Labs have no idea. So they had to delay it. Then again.
So HSL CEO Andy Kipling made the most logical step in his view and fired Cluney and put someone in charge who has the task to release this game as soon as possible. Cluney and Mitsoda are good friends and Mitsoda only had this job because of Cluney so Kipling fired him too. And this was the mistake.
Many people like the two german producers had left, Cara Ellison, Rik Schaffer & Margaret Tang??? and i believe some more devs.



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Re: Womb Music (Rik Schaffer and his wife Margaret Tang) also out?
« Reply #17 on: December 09, 2020, 11:28:12 pm »
I have no idea why they would be hiring a lead game designer this late in the game?


To me, I am starting to think this isn't Paradox's fault, it's all Hardsuit Labs.


I also agree this has to be a problem with Hardsuit Labs.  From my understanding here in this forum.  They've only done one other game and Bloodlines 2 will be their second game. 

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Re: Womb Music (Rik Schaffer and his wife Margaret Tang) also out?
« Reply #18 on: February 20, 2021, 12:45:31 pm »
I just asked Rik Schaffer via email about the audio director job and he told me that he never had that position with Bloodlines 2. He only composed the music...

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Re: Womb Music (Rik Schaffer and his wife Margaret Tang) also out?
« Reply #19 on: February 20, 2021, 02:03:29 pm »
I just asked Rik Schaffer via email about the audio director job and he told me that he never had that position with Bloodlines 2. He only composed the music...
Thanks for asking.  :smile: So i assume that his music is still in the game?
What about his wife Margaret? Is she still involved in the project as Casting and Voice Director?
Or should i ask is their company Womb Music done with Bloodlines 2?

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Re: Womb Music (Rik Schaffer and his wife Margaret Tang) also out?
« Reply #20 on: February 20, 2021, 04:48:50 pm »
Thanks for asking.  :smile: So i assume that his music is still in the game?
I don't know, but I already asked him about that :)!

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What about his wife Margaret? Is she still involved in the project as Casting and Voice Director?
He wrote that this time both of them were only external contractors.

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Re: Womb Music (Rik Schaffer and his wife Margaret Tang) also out?
« Reply #21 on: February 20, 2021, 07:05:52 pm »
I don't know, but I already asked him about that :)!
Thank you. :)

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He wrote that this time both of them were only external contractors.
Ok that makes sense but my following question would be are both still working on Bloodlines 2 (or its DLC content) or is their work done?

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Re: Womb Music (Rik Schaffer and his wife Margaret Tang) also out?
« Reply #22 on: February 20, 2021, 08:10:22 pm »
Ok that makes sense but my following question would be are both still working on Bloodlines 2 (or its DLC content) or is their work done?
I don't know, but Rik wrote that he did compose new songs as late at last Dezember.

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Re: Womb Music (Rik Schaffer and his wife Margaret Tang) also out?
« Reply #23 on: February 20, 2021, 08:34:04 pm »
I don't know, but Rik wrote that he did compose new songs as late at last Dezember.
I think that this is a good sign.

I know that Rik won´t or isn´t allowed to answer this but does he know the reasons why Brian Mitsoda was fired?

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Re: Womb Music (Rik Schaffer and his wife Margaret Tang) also out?
« Reply #24 on: February 20, 2021, 09:16:02 pm »
Why do you think there is so much silence with this game currently? So much behind the scenes and no explanation and the last gameplay we got was over a year ago.

I honestly have no idea, but if I should make a guess, I fear that Mitsoda was not allowed to repeat his style of writing for Bloodlines 2 because today a lot of it would not be politically correct anymore. Characters like the Malkavian player, Larry or the Asian hitmen wouldn't be allowed by Paradox judging from what I know of V5 and them closing down White Wolf US. So maybe they are busy streamlining the game and removing all of this making sure that nobody is offended...


I know the post I quoted is old but it does make sense what Wesp5 says.  We live in an age where almost every is ultra sensitive and easily offended, and I can see how Mitsoda's edgy writing can cause a problem.  Those parts you mention from the original game were some of my favorites.  Like I said many times before if the game is ever released I'll wait for verified owner reviews, and of course what people here think.                                                                                       

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Re: Womb Music (Rik Schaffer and his wife Margaret Tang) also out?
« Reply #25 on: February 20, 2021, 09:24:45 pm »
I know the post I quoted is old but it does make sense what Wesp5 says.  We live in an age where almost every is ultra sensitive and easily offended, and I can see how Mitsoda's edgy writing can cause a problem.  Those parts you mention from the original game were some of my favorites.  Like I said many times before if the game is ever released I'll wait for verified owner reviews, and of course what people here think.                                                                                       
There is only one major problem with this theory. Yes this would work for Mitsoda and maybe Ellison.
But they aren´t the only one who were fired or departure the project.
I find it more believable that the reasons are more over Budget (so money) and delaying the game that much.It sounds crazy but they wanted to release Bloodlines 2 in March 2020 so right before the pandemic.

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Re: Womb Music (Rik Schaffer and his wife Margaret Tang) also out?
« Reply #26 on: February 21, 2021, 02:58:55 am »
I know the post I quoted is old but it does make sense what Wesp5 says.  We live in an age where almost every is ultra sensitive and easily offended, and I can see how Mitsoda's edgy writing can cause a problem.  Those parts you mention from the original game were some of my favorites.  Like I said many times before if the game is ever released I'll wait for verified owner reviews, and of course what people here think.                                                                                       
There is only one major problem with this theory. Yes this would work for Mitsoda and maybe Ellison.
But they aren´t the only one who were fired or departure the project.
I find it more believable that the reasons are more over Budget (so money) and delaying the game that much.It sounds crazy but they wanted to release Bloodlines 2 in March 2020 so right before the pandemic.



Yeah I know he wasn't the only person they let go.  But his firing did cause a major storm and has brought the validity of Hardsuit Labs into question ever since.  Since his firing both Paradox and Hardsuit Labs have gone silent.  No updates have been given all we have is speculation.

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Re: Womb Music (Rik Schaffer and his wife Margaret Tang) also out?
« Reply #27 on: February 21, 2021, 01:19:50 pm »
But his firing did cause a major storm and has brought the validity of Hardsuit Labs into question ever since.
I think that both Paradox and Hardsuit Labs have totally underestimated this situation because they thought that Brian Mitsoda was a normal dev who you can fire and nobody gives a shit. And they were not completely wrong of course, not for Mitsoda, but for all the others?
Also its their own fault they made Mitsoda into a marketing star.

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Since his firing both Paradox and Hardsuit Labs have gone silent.  No updates have been given all we have is speculation.
I mean this say so much about the current situation than thousand words.






They couldn´t even change the 2020 or remove Brian Mitsoda involvment from the Hardsuit Labs page.  :rofl:

 https://www.hardsuitlabs.com/bloodlines2/
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Re: Womb Music (Rik Schaffer and his wife Margaret Tang) also out?
« Reply #28 on: February 26, 2021, 04:23:29 pm »
It really wasn't enough with Mitsoda  :facepalm:  ?!!

 

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