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Title: VtMB2: Top 10 Wishlist
Post by: vampiredave on September 24, 2019, 02:03:40 am
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Title: Re: VtMB2: Top 10 Wishlist
Post by: Highwayman667 on September 24, 2019, 02:59:12 am
I'm bit tired to do a top 10 wishlist but I will ask for one little thing to come back:

Gary Golden ^^ !
Title: Re: VtMB2: Top 10 Wishlist
Post by: vampiredave on September 24, 2019, 03:56:58 am
He's so great, boss! Jason Carl does a really good job portraying him in s2 of LA by Night.
Title: Re: VtMB2: Top 10 Wishlist
Post by: fylimar on September 25, 2019, 09:36:02 pm
I'm bit tired to do a top 10 wishlist but I will ask for one little thing to come back:

Gary Golden ^^ !

Yes, that would be great. Gary is the best
Title: Re: VtMB2: Top 10 Wishlist
Post by: DarkProphet on September 25, 2019, 11:35:53 pm
Great list, man, and lovely usage of L.A. By Night footage. I, too, crave playing as Lasombra. Fingers crossed that the game is good and sells well, because if it does, it's plausible that there might be White Wolf support behind having the clan in the game as a free DLC to encourage sales of Chicago By Night rulebooks.
Title: Re: VtMB2: Top 10 Wishlist
Post by: vampiredave on September 26, 2019, 04:18:32 am
Great list, man, and lovely usage of L.A. By Night footage. I, too, crave playing as Lasombra. Fingers crossed that the game is good and sells well, because if it does, it's plausible that there might be White Wolf support behind having the clan in the game as a free DLC to encourage sales of Chicago By Night rulebooks.

I hadn't thought of it that way! Even if it weren't free, I'd pay to play Lasombra. Honestly, the game is such a dream come true for me that I just want them to be as successful as possible so we can have more. I can wait for my hardcover Chicago by Night preorder to come in. Soon now, I think?
Title: Re: VtMB2: Top 10 Wishlist
Post by: Highwayman667 on September 27, 2019, 10:30:08 pm
The most feasible thing I believe we could ask for is in regards to the ghouls. Lots of potential with those ones.
Title: Re: VtMB2: Top 10 Wishlist
Post by: vampiredave on September 28, 2019, 02:31:36 am
The most feasible thing I believe we could ask for is in regards to the ghouls. Lots of potential with those ones.

Someone from Paradox saw my video and messaged me on Discord. She said I'd be happy to know they're already working on most of what I brought up. She didn't specify. I didn't press.

Agree about the ghouls though. Feel like the addict aspect is hard for devs to pass up using for levity and comic relief. Even in "What We Do in the Shadows," ghouls are almost always a punchline about indentured servitude. But there is a lot of potential. Ib in LA by Night seemed like a pretty capable ghoul. I'm super excited.
Title: Re: VtMB2: Top 10 Wishlist
Post by: Highwayman667 on September 28, 2019, 02:38:23 am
Ib ?

Son, in this forum. HEATHER IS QUEEN.

(In my mind at least).
Title: Re: VtMB2: Top 10 Wishlist
Post by: DarkProphet on September 28, 2019, 06:35:50 pm
The most feasible thing I believe we could ask for is in regards to the ghouls. Lots of potential with those ones.

Someone from Paradox saw my video and messaged me on Discord. She said I'd be happy to know they're already working on most of what I brought up. She didn't specify. I didn't press.

Agree about the ghouls though. Feel like the addict aspect is hard for devs to pass up using for levity and comic relief. Even in "What We Do in the Shadows," ghouls are almost always a punchline about indentured servitude. But there is a lot of potential. Ib in LA by Night seemed like a pretty capable ghoul. I'm super excited.

That's awesome!!! You know what they could do that would be super low-budget but could be great if well-written and with some voiced follow-ups? Missions to send your ghouls on regularly and you pick the best-suited ghoul for the job. Kinda like in Dragon Age Inquisition or Van Hellsing.

And Highwayman, Ib is an awesome ghoul chick in L.A. By Night. You can watch it on YouTube.
Title: Re: VtMB2: Top 10 Wishlist
Post by: vampiredave on September 29, 2019, 08:54:46 pm
@Highwayman667 I'll concede that Heather has her Queenly moments. Any woman who buys me body armor of her own volition is probably someone special. Someone at Troika must have thought so too since I can't think of anyone else beside the player character that gets to change outfits. She's only really safe if you play Nosferatu. Otherwise you have to let her go before "Hell at the Hallowbrook Hotel." Have you ever tried to turn her using the Companion Mod?

@DarkProphet Yeah, they have follower missions like that in lots of MMORPGs too: Secret World, WoW, . . . That could be cool. Sometimes I get anxiety making sure my uptime on all of those is always going. Some people turn it into post-game grinding mini-game, but they had some cool integrations with mobile. Yeah, Ib is Fiorenza's ghoul rented out to Victor as a helper-spy. She's like a super agent with a touch of suicidal depression. Usually, Jason plays her, but there are a couple of episodes where they bring in a n actress to portray her. I don't think Heather would want to fight her.
Title: Re: VtMB2: Top 10 Wishlist
Post by: Highwayman667 on September 29, 2019, 08:56:42 pm
@Highwayman667 I'll concede that Heather has her Queenly moments. Any woman who buys me body armor of her own volition is probably someone special. Someone at Troika must have thought so too since I can't think of anyone else beside the player character that gets to change outfits. She's only really safe if you play Nosferatu. Otherwise you have to let her go before "Hell at the Hallowbrook Hotel." Have you ever tried to turn her using the Companion Mod?

I haven't yet, I generally stay away from mods but I might try that one someday =D
Title: Re: VtMB2: Top 10 Wishlist
Post by: DarkProphet on September 30, 2019, 08:36:35 pm
@Highwayman667 I'll concede that Heather has her Queenly moments. Any woman who buys me body armor of her own volition is probably someone special. Someone at Troika must have thought so too since I can't think of anyone else beside the player character that gets to change outfits. She's only really safe if you play Nosferatu. Otherwise you have to let her go before "Hell at the Hallowbrook Hotel." Have you ever tried to turn her using the Companion Mod?

I haven't yet, I generally stay away from mods but I might try that one someday =D

I hear ya. I'm pretty much a purist, myself. The only mods like tend to like that change the game play/stuff in games are ones that put in cut content that's good, and ones that fix what I find to be terrible/miserable in-game systems. For instance, I despised Oblivions's leveling system, so I got a mod for it.
Title: Re: VtMB2: Top 10 Wishlist
Post by: NateHevens on September 30, 2019, 09:40:48 pm
@Highwayman667 I'll concede that Heather has her Queenly moments. Any woman who buys me body armor of her own volition is probably someone special. Someone at Troika must have thought so too since I can't think of anyone else beside the player character that gets to change outfits. She's only really safe if you play Nosferatu. Otherwise you have to let her go before "Hell at the Hallowbrook Hotel." Have you ever tried to turn her using the Companion Mod?

I haven't yet, I generally stay away from mods but I might try that one someday =D

IDK I legit have more fun with the mods... especially Clan Quest and such. And I love different textures and shit like that. Plus I'm always game for new reskins of characters. But that's just me... heh...

Anyways...

Great video! I don't really have much of a wishlist for it myself, other than no microtransactions or lootboxes/"surprise mechanics" or any of that predatory [jimsterling]tRiPLe AaA[/jimsterling] bullshit. I'm not paying $90 US for the "privilege" of spending even more money; I'm paying $90 US for a fully finished, already fun-to-play game.

Also, no crunch time. I'd rather the release date be pushed back multiple times than the developers be forced to rush things and put out an inevitably inferior product. I can wait for a superior VTMB2, personally. It doesn't have to come out in March 2020. Shit I could wait until 2021 if they need that much extra time to make sure it's perfect.
Title: Re: VtMB2: Top 10 Wishlist
Post by: DarkProphet on October 02, 2019, 11:19:56 pm
Quote from: NateHevens
Also, no crunch time. I'd rather the release date be pushed back multiple times than the developers be forced to rush things and put out an inevitably inferior product. I can wait for a superior VTMB2, personally. It doesn't have to come out in March 2020. Shit I could wait until 2021 if they need that much extra time to make sure it's perfect.

I think almost every game will have some level of crunch time as you want to put out the best product possible, and squuezing in every bit of work you can is too tempting, even at the last minute.

However, I do agree I'd rather wait a bit longer for a superior product.
Title: Re: VtMB2: Top 10 Wishlist
Post by: Highwayman667 on October 03, 2019, 12:22:06 am
Also, no crunch time. I'd rather the release date be pushed back multiple times than the developers be forced to rush things and put out an inevitably inferior product. I can wait for a superior VTMB2, personally. It doesn't have to come out in March 2020. Shit I could wait until 2021 if they need that much extra time to make sure it's perfect.

It also sets a bad precedent for the conditions that developers are forced to endure. Everybody was having fun with Mortal Kombat 11 until this juicy bit came out:

https://variety.com/2019/gaming/features/netherrealm-studio-warner-bros-games-toxic-1203204728/
Title: Re: VtMB2: Top 10 Wishlist
Post by: NateHevens on October 03, 2019, 12:24:39 am
Also, no crunch time. I'd rather the release date be pushed back multiple times than the developers be forced to rush things and put out an inevitably inferior product. I can wait for a superior VTMB2, personally. It doesn't have to come out in March 2020. Shit I could wait until 2021 if they need that much extra time to make sure it's perfect.

It also sets a bad precedent for the conditions that developers are forced to endure. Everybody was having fun with Mortal Kombat 11 until this juicy bit came out:

https://variety.com/2019/gaming/features/netherrealm-studio-warner-bros-games-toxic-1203204728/

Exactly. This is entirely what I don't want to happen to VTMB2.
Title: Re: VtMB2: Top 10 Wishlist
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on October 03, 2019, 04:37:30 pm
Also, no crunch time. I'd rather the release date be pushed back multiple times than the developers be forced to rush things and put out an inevitably inferior product. I can wait for a superior VTMB2, personally. It doesn't have to come out in March 2020. Shit I could wait until 2021 if they need that much extra time to make sure it's perfect.
I agree and i also think that Bloodlines 2 needs more time.
But my main problem is the current time slot. March 2020. Too close to Cyberpunk and other big games.
They should release Bloodlines 2 right now in a year which means Fall 2020. September or early October 2020 would be perfect.
Title: Re: VtMB2: Top 10 Wishlist
Post by: NateHevens on October 03, 2019, 05:06:20 pm
Also, no crunch time. I'd rather the release date be pushed back multiple times than the developers be forced to rush things and put out an inevitably inferior product. I can wait for a superior VTMB2, personally. It doesn't have to come out in March 2020. Shit I could wait until 2021 if they need that much extra time to make sure it's perfect.
I agree and i also think that Bloodlines 2 needs more time.
But my main problem is the current time slot. March 2020. Too close to Cyberpunk and other big games.
They should release Bloodlines 2 right now in a year which means Fall 2020. September or early October 2020 would be perfect.

I would be 100% okay with this, honestly...
Title: Re: VtMB2: Top 10 Wishlist
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on October 09, 2019, 06:08:43 pm
Two more reasons to delay Bloodlines: well, the release of another big game Doom Eternal is also March 2020.

And the last and very likely joinable Bloodlines 2 faction are the Unseen basically a Nosferatu faction.  So we can join the Nosferatu faction but for the main game we can´t play as Nosferatu. This is really weird. Maybe besides polishing and in a more less competitor heavy space they really should add the Nosferatu as playable clan
in the main game without any DLCs.
Title: Re: VtMB2: Top 10 Wishlist
Post by: NateHevens on October 09, 2019, 08:04:53 pm
Two more reasons to delay Bloodlines: well, the release of another big game Doom Eternal is also March 2020.

And the last and very likely joinable Bloodlines 2 faction are the Unseen basically a Nosferatu faction.  So we can join the Nosferatu faction but for the main game we can´t play as Nosferatu. This is really weird. Maybe besides polishing and in a more less competitor heavy space they really should add the Nosferatu as playable clan
in the main game without any DLCs.

Agreed 100%. I genuinely would rather it come out later in 2020, and like I said... I can even wait until 2021 if need be. I want this game to be perfect. Forcing it out by March could end up being a disaster.
Title: Re: VtMB2: Top 10 Wishlist
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on October 09, 2019, 11:27:01 pm
Agreed 100%. I genuinely would rather it come out later in 2020, and like I said... I can even wait until 2021 if need be. I want this game to be perfect. Forcing it out by March could end up being a disaster.
Well, in the official Paradox forum for example it's an unpopular opinion to say that a delay would really help.
I believe some people want to have the game right now regardless what this means for the overall product quality and a possible Bloodlines 3 or other games in
the World of Darkness. This is really selfish and, sorry, stupid. And I am tired to argue with them.
Delaying a game isn´t a bad thing. They shouldn´t delay so many years like the infamous Duke Nukem Forever but a few more extra months could really help Bloodlines 2.

 A March 2020 release could theoretical work in all fairness but I really doubt this would be a good idea overall.
Title: Re: VtMB2: Top 10 Wishlist
Post by: Highwayman667 on October 10, 2019, 03:30:32 am
It's VERY. VERY. VERY... important to release that even if it gets delayed, that's no guarantee it will be the best game it can be.

People need to understand that this game probably won't be as good as the first, maybe not, but whatever happens it's okay, it's just a game.
Title: Re: VtMB2: Top 10 Wishlist
Post by: NateHevens on October 10, 2019, 05:48:44 am
It's VERY. VERY. VERY... important to release that even if it gets delayed, that's no guarantee it will be the best game it can be.

People need to understand that this game probably won't be as good as the first, maybe not, but whatever happens it's okay, it's just a game.

I love VTMB1. It's why I'm here, after all. But let's not pretend like it isn't the fan mods that have made it so good. I played the game vanilla without even the UP basic (via Steam) and holy shit it was hard to play. Intriguing enough to get me interested, obviously, but clearly incomplete and broken. On top of that, I don't like the way you treat Heather, and I wish there were more dialog options and choices in terms of how to play, with more or at least expanded endings. Plus that damn Warrens level, and the broken combat, and the limited (IMO) disciplines...

Honestly, I think there's an opportunity for VTMB2 to be better than VTMB1. I mean, it will be better in just the simple fact that it will be complete, and, hopefully, less buggy. But I think it can expand out, as well.

I haven't been to the official Paradox forum, but they're assholes if they're demanding the game NOW! That's ridiculous. I want VTMB2 to be amazing. If they have to go into crunch, it won't be. I'd rather they delay it than go into crunch.
Title: Re: VtMB2: Top 10 Wishlist
Post by: Highwayman667 on October 10, 2019, 06:14:37 am
Honestly, I think there's an opportunity for VTMB2 to be better than VTMB1. I mean, it will be better in just the simple fact that it will be complete, and, hopefully, less buggy. But I think it can expand out, as well.

I agree. Unfortunately gamers believe in sacred cows and many people find Bloodlines 1 to be among those.
Title: Re: VtMB2: Top 10 Wishlist
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on October 10, 2019, 09:15:14 am
It's VERY. VERY. VERY... important to release that even if it gets delayed, that's no guarantee it will be the best game it can be.
I know, that's why I mentioned Duke Nukem Forever but we aren´t talking about some more years, only a few months.
And in my opinion Bloodlines 2 needs for various reasons more time. Releasing any game in March 2020 is currently a bad idea so delay it.

Quote
People need to understand that this game probably won't be as good as the first, maybe not, but whatever happens it's okay, it's just a game.
Maybe or maybe not, who knows but fact is Hardsuit Labs, Paradox and their partner want to sell this game and create their own World of Darkness games universum
so a buggy game could hurt this plan.
Also is March 2020 really the best place for this game where it is crowded with tons of bigger competitors? Releasing alongside Cyberpunk is in my opinion
worse than Bloodlines 1 who shared the release date with Half Life 2.
Title: Re: VtMB2: Top 10 Wishlist
Post by: argikt on October 10, 2019, 12:13:01 pm
I have no real info or clues, but those dates are estimated.
It's very common that studios announce delays a few months before the release...
If all of you can see that releasing in the cyberpunk month is a mistake, don't you think they have thought about it?

It's sad to say that there're a few AAA RPG games in the market, and all the people that I know buy them all. If fallout X will be released in the same month than dragon age, I'll buy both eventually.

I only have one statistic, and says that the 40% of the tripleA games sales are preorders....
Title: Re: VtMB2: Top 10 Wishlist
Post by: Wesp5 on October 10, 2019, 01:35:40 pm
If all of you can see that releasing in the cyberpunk month is a mistake, don't you think they have thought about it?

They have, and the main problem of delaying B2 into autumn is that the new console generation will be released around the time!
Title: Re: VtMB2: Top 10 Wishlist
Post by: argikt on October 10, 2019, 02:40:07 pm
If all of you can see that releasing in the cyberpunk month is a mistake, don't you think they had though about it?

They have, and the main problem of delaying B2 into autumn is that the new console generation will be released around the time!
Didn't know it, but this is a good reason. Better compete with cyberpunk than with a new console... It's hard releasing a game or a movie in a month without competition....
Title: Re: VtMB2: Top 10 Wishlist
Post by: vampiredave on October 10, 2019, 10:28:04 pm
Lots of good points, I think. I'm also worried about the release coinciding with the Q1 release of the FFVII remake, which I expect to dominate console sales. I think, too, it draws from the same pool of nostalgic RPG-ers from the time period.

While I generally agree about making the game good, I also think it has to get to market. I think there a quite a few Gen X, Y, and Z-ers who have never heard of WoD or VtM. In some ways, you need exposure to generate momentum to make good games. There's been too much nothing, in my opinion. But, with the success of LA by Night, V5, and the upcoming WW game, I think WoD can endure in traditional and non-traditional platforms. To me, that's greater than any single game. TL;DR: yes I want it to be good, but I think it needs to come out or it doesn't matter whether it's good. Cheers, all!
Title: Re: VtMB2: Top 10 Wishlist
Post by: NateHevens on October 10, 2019, 10:58:35 pm
Lots of good points, I think. I'm also worried about the release coinciding with the Q1 release of the FFVII remake, which I expect to dominate console sales. I think, too, it draws from the same pool of nostalgic RPG-ers from the time period.

While I generally agree about making the game good, I also think it has to get to market. I think there a quite a few Gen X, Y, and Z-ers who have never heard of WoD or VtM. In some ways, you need exposure to generate momentum to make good games. There's been too much nothing, in my opinion. But, with the success of LA by Night, V5, and the upcoming WW game, I think WoD can endure in traditional and non-traditional platforms. To me, that's greater than any single game. TL;DR: yes I want it to be good, but I think it needs to come out or it doesn't matter whether it's good. Cheers, all!

Granted. But nothing makes me angrier than buying an unfinished game only to be forced to spend more money to make it "better". That's a damn good way to make me not play the game. I'm with Jim Sterling on this subject, though. When I purchase the game, I want to purchase the full game. I don't want to be left with an incomplete mess that then requires microtransactions/surprise mechanics/"cosmetic options" to patch up and make "good". I don't want to have to spend even more money to actually enjoy the game.

I am praying (and I'm an atheist!) that the greedy AAA bullshit doesn't happen here, and I fear that an early release culminating in a crunch time will do exactly that. Hence why I'd prefer a delay, instead.
Title: Re: VtMB2: Top 10 Wishlist
Post by: Nanaloma on October 11, 2019, 12:52:43 am
Exactly.
Title: Re: VtMB2: Top 10 Wishlist
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on October 12, 2019, 03:11:33 pm
They have, and the main problem of delaying B2 into autumn is that the new console generation will be released around the time!
I don´t expect the new consoles earlier than late October. So there is enough time for a delay before that.

A release in March 2020 is in my opinion almost crazy because of the strong competitors.
We have direct RPG competitors like Final Fantasy 7 Remake and of course Cyberpunk 2077 but also other big games like Last of Us 2, Watch Dogs Legion,
Animal Crossing: New Horizons, Doom Eternal and a lot more of smaller games. I won´t imply that most people will buy all of these games but they all compete for our money and mainly time. Is really the perfect place for Bloodlines 2 especially if it isn´t finished?

Also we all get older and i can only speak for myself but i am tired of unfinished games. I don´t care if takes longer but when i play when i want to have a good gaming experience.
In Bloodlines 2 case well i probably would give it another shot because its Bloodlines but most people won´t be that forgiving.

So please Hardsuit Labs / Paradox delay this game and take your time. September 2020 is a much better release date for Bloodlines 2 than March 2020.
Title: Re: VtMB2: Top 10 Wishlist
Post by: Wesp5 on October 12, 2019, 04:48:10 pm
I won´t imply that most people will buy all of these games but they all compete for our money and mainly time.

I agree. It seems The Outer World is being released very close to Call of Duty Modern Warfare this month! I hope Paradox is looking at the numbers resulting from that situation, to get a feeling on how Doom Eternal could harm Bloodlines 2 sales...
Title: Re: VtMB2: Top 10 Wishlist
Post by: vampiredave on October 12, 2019, 06:31:53 pm
Agree completely about an unfinished core game. And about shameless money grubbing from micro-transactions or pay-to-win mechanics. So maybe I agree entirely? I'm completely for the DLC model of expansions, though, when done well. It give us more content in much less time than releasing a sequel. And, if it's $x more work and production costs, I don't mind supporting the devs and company. I think the danger is when companies have large avoidable patches or updates due to unrealistic timelines (Fallout anyone?) and/or when they disguise unfinished core content as DLC.

I think maybe I'm not being objective? I'm so excited for new content from this LP that i just want to get behind them any way I can--I've never even made videos before. I agree with what I think is being said, that we may be more forgiving, as long time fans, than people trying for the first time. And so maybe they should be extra careful? I think WoD needs an injection of newer younger fans in contemporary platforms to survive. I hope it's this or that this is a part of it.
Title: Re: VtMB2: Top 10 Wishlist
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on October 12, 2019, 06:50:41 pm
We already know Hardsuit Labs and Paradox future plans for Bloodlines 2.
(https://items.gog.com/project_frasier/new_edition_comparison_chart.jpg)

So we get two Story Packs plus an Expansion with overall theme Season of the Wolf which means Werewolfs plus atleast two free clan DLCs which
are likely Nosferatu and Gangrel.

And of course Bloodlines 2 will have dozens of cosmetic DLCs. I think that is a fair business model unlike the ones from Big Publisher like EA, Activision or more recently Ubisoft.
Title: Re: VtMB2: Top 10 Wishlist
Post by: NateHevens on October 12, 2019, 08:49:22 pm
Yup and when I'm back in a job and can afford it, I'm purchasing the Blood Moon Premium Edition... likely from GOG.

I'm also just fine with well-done DLCs and stuff. Adding bonuses to an already-completed and thoroughly well-made game is perfectly fine with me, and yeah, I'm willing to pay for 'em, too. I just don't want this to become Anthem, or Fallout, or any of that junk. That's what I'm afraid of.

I also consider the lootboxes/microtransactions/"surprise mechanics"/"time savers" to be gambling and I don't want that stuff in the game, either. Like I said in a previous comment... I'm paying for the privilege of playing the game. I'm not playing for the privilege of spending even more money to finish a clearly unfinished game.
Title: Re: VtMB2: Top 10 Wishlist
Post by: DarkProphet on October 13, 2019, 05:24:24 pm
They have, and the main problem of delaying B2 into autumn is that the new console generation will be released around the time!
I don´t expect the new consoles earlier than late October. So there is enough time for a delay before that.

A release in March 2020 is in my opinion almost crazy because of the strong competitors.
We have direct RPG competitors like Final Fantasy 7 Remake and of course Cyberpunk 2077 but also other big games like Last of Us 2, Watch Dogs Legion,
Animal Crossing: New Horizons, Doom Eternal and a lot more of smaller games. I won´t imply that most people will buy all of these games but they all compete for our money and mainly time. Is really the perfect place for Bloodlines 2 especially if it isn´t finished?

Also we all get older and i can only speak for myself but i am tired of unfinished games. I don´t care if takes longer but when i play when i want to have a good gaming experience.
In Bloodlines 2 case well i probably would give it another shot because its Bloodlines but most people won´t be that forgiving.

So please Hardsuit Labs / Paradox delay this game and take your time. September 2020 is a much better release date for Bloodlines 2 than March 2020.

Ff7 as DIRECT competition? Ehhhhh I wouldn't even begin to try to claim those games have much of anything in common. Cyberpunk 2077, on the other hand...
Title: Re: VtMB2: Top 10 Wishlist
Post by: Highwayman667 on October 13, 2019, 05:42:03 pm
Ff7 as DIRECT competition? Ehhhhh I wouldn't even begin to try to claim those games have much of anything in common. Cyberpunk 2077, on the other hand...

First Half-Life 2 and now Cyberpunk 2077... great timing as always Mitsoda xD
Title: Re: VtMB2: Top 10 Wishlist
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on October 13, 2019, 06:38:38 pm
Ff7 as DIRECT competition? Ehhhhh I wouldn't even begin to try to claim those games have much of anything in common. Cyberpunk 2077, on the other hand...
Yeah i would compare both this way. Both are RPGs in general and build on nostalgia. Also like Bloodlines 2 people want to play a FF7 Remake for decades.
Title: Re: VtMB2: Top 10 Wishlist
Post by: DarkProphet on October 14, 2019, 11:24:53 pm
Ff7 as DIRECT competition? Ehhhhh I wouldn't even begin to try to claim those games have much of anything in common. Cyberpunk 2077, on the other hand...
Yeah i would compare both this way. Both are RPGs in general and build on nostalgia. Also like Bloodlines 2 people want to play a FF7 Remake for decades.

"RPGs in general" holds no water when you're comparing a western-style immersive sim, rewarding XP only for completion of quest objectives with no ability to grind, vs. a JRPG which greatly encourages you to run around in circles triggering several encounters repeatedly to get stronger. Also infinite money and little to no quest outcomes that vary from player to player.

As for your nostalgia argument, those are going to be two different generations considering FF7 came out in 1997 while Bloodlines came out in 2004, not really becoming quite as popular with the majority of people who liked it for a few years, so there's about a ten-year gap in most of the interest.

Of course, I pre-ordered my Bloodlines 1 copy and picked it up on launch day like the superior fan that I am, but I can't hold others to my lofty standards.
Title: Re: VtMB2: Top 10 Wishlist
Post by: vampiredave on October 16, 2019, 03:43:00 am
I'd argue that FFVII is a cyberpunk game and that it's predecessor was steampunk.

Especially the Midgar Zone. Hi-tech, low-life as the saying goes. It also has an unusual amount of horror elements (most of the Sephiroth pursuit). Add genetic experimentation (Red XIII, Jenova, Hojo, Soldier), police states, capitalist governments, and cyborgs (Barett). End of the world. Hell, you play as environmental terrorists.

Both games are masterpieces in their own right (with outstanding soundtracks). 7 years isn't that much of a gap. I played both at their respective releases.
Title: Re: VtMB2: Top 10 Wishlist
Post by: DarkProphet on October 17, 2019, 03:38:13 am
I'd argue that FFVII is a cyberpunk game and that it's predecessor was steampunk.

Especially the Midgar Zone. Hi-tech, low-life as the saying goes. It also has an unusual amount of horror elements (most of the Sephiroth pursuit). Add genetic experimentation (Red XIII, Jenova, Hojo, Soldier), police states, capitalist governments, and cyborgs (Barett). End of the world. Hell, you play as environmental terrorists.

Both games are masterpieces in their own right (with outstanding soundtracks). 7 years isn't that much of a gap. I played both at their respective releases.

I was sad when I finished Midgar because the technology excited me, whereas the lack thereof disinterested me. That said, FFIV is one of my fave FF games, and it is nearly devoid of tech compared to FVII, VIII, X, XIII.
Title: Re: VtMB2: Top 10 Wishlist
Post by: Highwayman667 on October 18, 2019, 06:04:08 pm
I was sad when I finished Midgar because the technology excited me, whereas the lack thereof disinterested me. That said, FFIV is one of my fave FF games, and it is nearly devoid of tech compared to FVII, VIII, X, XIII.

One day I'll play a Final Fantasy game... I know I will !
Title: Re: VtMB2: Top 10 Wishlist
Post by: DarkProphet on October 19, 2019, 04:15:16 am
I was sad when I finished Midgar because the technology excited me, whereas the lack thereof disinterested me. That said, FFIV is one of my fave FF games, and it is nearly devoid of tech compared to FVII, VIII, X, XIII.

One day I'll play a Final Fantasy game... I know I will !


Haha, you're not missing much, but I suppose it depends on who you ask. If you like choices in your narrative, deep characters, and combat that doesn't get repetitive...look elsewhere...unless you ask the truly deluded members of the FF fandom. They love the games as much as I love Bloodlines, except I'm not a psychotic zealot who would claim that Bloodlines 1's combat is good in present day, while they would claim that the old FF game's character graphics in dialog and non-movie/non-combat areas look good.
Title: Re: VtMB2: Top 10 Wishlist
Post by: thewarsend on January 06, 2020, 12:53:22 am
I was sad when I finished Midgar because the technology excited me, whereas the lack thereof disinterested me. That said, FFIV is one of my fave FF games, and it is nearly devoid of tech compared to FVII, VIII, X, XIII.

One day I'll play a Final Fantasy game... I know I will !

Without even realizing I bet. There so many FF games I am not even sure where to begin. Only way I would start playing them at this point is by accident.
Title: Re: VtMB2: Top 10 Wishlist
Post by: Highwayman667 on January 06, 2020, 03:24:09 am
Without even realizing I bet. There so many FF games I am not even sure where to begin. Only way I would start playing them at this point is by accident.

Maybe with the frequently cited as the best one, which is VII. I know I'm starting there.
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