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Offline NateHevens

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Re: VtMB2: Top 10 Wishlist
« Reply #30 on: October 10, 2019, 10:58:35 PM »
Lots of good points, I think. I'm also worried about the release coinciding with the Q1 release of the FFVII remake, which I expect to dominate console sales. I think, too, it draws from the same pool of nostalgic RPG-ers from the time period.

While I generally agree about making the game good, I also think it has to get to market. I think there a quite a few Gen X, Y, and Z-ers who have never heard of WoD or VtM. In some ways, you need exposure to generate momentum to make good games. There's been too much nothing, in my opinion. But, with the success of LA by Night, V5, and the upcoming WW game, I think WoD can endure in traditional and non-traditional platforms. To me, that's greater than any single game. TL;DR: yes I want it to be good, but I think it needs to come out or it doesn't matter whether it's good. Cheers, all!

Granted. But nothing makes me angrier than buying an unfinished game only to be forced to spend more money to make it "better". That's a damn good way to make me not play the game. I'm with Jim Sterling on this subject, though. When I purchase the game, I want to purchase the full game. I don't want to be left with an incomplete mess that then requires microtransactions/surprise mechanics/"cosmetic options" to patch up and make "good". I don't want to have to spend even more money to actually enjoy the game.

I am praying (and I'm an atheist!) that the greedy AAA bullshit doesn't happen here, and I fear that an early release culminating in a crunch time will do exactly that. Hence why I'd prefer a delay, instead.
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Re: VtMB2: Top 10 Wishlist
« Reply #31 on: October 11, 2019, 12:52:43 AM »
Exactly.

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« Reply #32 on: October 12, 2019, 03:11:33 PM »
They have, and the main problem of delaying B2 into autumn is that the new console generation will be released around the time!
I don´t expect the new consoles earlier than late October. So there is enough time for a delay before that.

A release in March 2020 is in my opinion almost crazy because of the strong competitors.
We have direct RPG competitors like Final Fantasy 7 Remake and of course Cyberpunk 2077 but also other big games like Last of Us 2, Watch Dogs Legion,
Animal Crossing: New Horizons, Doom Eternal and a lot more of smaller games. I won´t imply that most people will buy all of these games but they all compete for our money and mainly time. Is really the perfect place for Bloodlines 2 especially if it isn´t finished?

Also we all get older and i can only speak for myself but i am tired of unfinished games. I don´t care if takes longer but when i play when i want to have a good gaming experience.
In Bloodlines 2 case well i probably would give it another shot because its Bloodlines but most people won´t be that forgiving.

So please Hardsuit Labs / Paradox delay this game and take your time. September 2020 is a much better release date for Bloodlines 2 than March 2020.
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Re: VtMB2: Top 10 Wishlist
« Reply #33 on: October 12, 2019, 04:48:10 PM »
I won´t imply that most people will buy all of these games but they all compete for our money and mainly time.

I agree. It seems The Outer World is being released very close to Call of Duty Modern Warfare this month! I hope Paradox is looking at the numbers resulting from that situation, to get a feeling on how Doom Eternal could harm Bloodlines 2 sales...
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Re: VtMB2: Top 10 Wishlist
« Reply #34 on: October 12, 2019, 06:31:53 PM »
Agree completely about an unfinished core game. And about shameless money grubbing from micro-transactions or pay-to-win mechanics. So maybe I agree entirely? I'm completely for the DLC model of expansions, though, when done well. It give us more content in much less time than releasing a sequel. And, if it's $x more work and production costs, I don't mind supporting the devs and company. I think the danger is when companies have large avoidable patches or updates due to unrealistic timelines (Fallout anyone?) and/or when they disguise unfinished core content as DLC.

I think maybe I'm not being objective? I'm so excited for new content from this LP that i just want to get behind them any way I can--I've never even made videos before. I agree with what I think is being said, that we may be more forgiving, as long time fans, than people trying for the first time. And so maybe they should be extra careful? I think WoD needs an injection of newer younger fans in contemporary platforms to survive. I hope it's this or that this is a part of it.
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Re: VtMB2: Top 10 Wishlist
« Reply #35 on: October 12, 2019, 06:50:41 PM »
We already know Hardsuit Labs and Paradox future plans for Bloodlines 2.


So we get two Story Packs plus an Expansion with overall theme Season of the Wolf which means Werewolfs plus atleast two free clan DLCs which
are likely Nosferatu and Gangrel.

And of course Bloodlines 2 will have dozens of cosmetic DLCs. I think that is a fair business model unlike the ones from Big Publisher like EA, Activision or more recently Ubisoft.

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« Reply #36 on: October 12, 2019, 08:49:22 PM »
Yup and when I'm back in a job and can afford it, I'm purchasing the Blood Moon Premium Edition... likely from GOG.

I'm also just fine with well-done DLCs and stuff. Adding bonuses to an already-completed and thoroughly well-made game is perfectly fine with me, and yeah, I'm willing to pay for 'em, too. I just don't want this to become Anthem, or Fallout, or any of that junk. That's what I'm afraid of.

I also consider the lootboxes/microtransactions/"surprise mechanics"/"time savers" to be gambling and I don't want that stuff in the game, either. Like I said in a previous comment... I'm paying for the privilege of playing the game. I'm not playing for the privilege of spending even more money to finish a clearly unfinished game.

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« Reply #37 on: October 13, 2019, 05:24:24 PM »
They have, and the main problem of delaying B2 into autumn is that the new console generation will be released around the time!
I don´t expect the new consoles earlier than late October. So there is enough time for a delay before that.

A release in March 2020 is in my opinion almost crazy because of the strong competitors.
We have direct RPG competitors like Final Fantasy 7 Remake and of course Cyberpunk 2077 but also other big games like Last of Us 2, Watch Dogs Legion,
Animal Crossing: New Horizons, Doom Eternal and a lot more of smaller games. I won´t imply that most people will buy all of these games but they all compete for our money and mainly time. Is really the perfect place for Bloodlines 2 especially if it isn´t finished?

Also we all get older and i can only speak for myself but i am tired of unfinished games. I don´t care if takes longer but when i play when i want to have a good gaming experience.
In Bloodlines 2 case well i probably would give it another shot because its Bloodlines but most people won´t be that forgiving.

So please Hardsuit Labs / Paradox delay this game and take your time. September 2020 is a much better release date for Bloodlines 2 than March 2020.

Ff7 as DIRECT competition? Ehhhhh I wouldn't even begin to try to claim those games have much of anything in common. Cyberpunk 2077, on the other hand...

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« Reply #38 on: October 13, 2019, 05:42:03 PM »
Ff7 as DIRECT competition? Ehhhhh I wouldn't even begin to try to claim those games have much of anything in common. Cyberpunk 2077, on the other hand...

First Half-Life 2 and now Cyberpunk 2077... great timing as always Mitsoda xD

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« Reply #39 on: October 13, 2019, 06:38:38 PM »
Ff7 as DIRECT competition? Ehhhhh I wouldn't even begin to try to claim those games have much of anything in common. Cyberpunk 2077, on the other hand...
Yeah i would compare both this way. Both are RPGs in general and build on nostalgia. Also like Bloodlines 2 people want to play a FF7 Remake for decades.
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« Reply #40 on: October 14, 2019, 11:24:53 PM »
Ff7 as DIRECT competition? Ehhhhh I wouldn't even begin to try to claim those games have much of anything in common. Cyberpunk 2077, on the other hand...
Yeah i would compare both this way. Both are RPGs in general and build on nostalgia. Also like Bloodlines 2 people want to play a FF7 Remake for decades.

"RPGs in general" holds no water when you're comparing a western-style immersive sim, rewarding XP only for completion of quest objectives with no ability to grind, vs. a JRPG which greatly encourages you to run around in circles triggering several encounters repeatedly to get stronger. Also infinite money and little to no quest outcomes that vary from player to player.

As for your nostalgia argument, those are going to be two different generations considering FF7 came out in 1997 while Bloodlines came out in 2004, not really becoming quite as popular with the majority of people who liked it for a few years, so there's about a ten-year gap in most of the interest.

Of course, I pre-ordered my Bloodlines 1 copy and picked it up on launch day like the superior fan that I am, but I can't hold others to my lofty standards.
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« Reply #41 on: October 16, 2019, 03:43:00 AM »
I'd argue that FFVII is a cyberpunk game and that it's predecessor was steampunk.

Especially the Midgar Zone. Hi-tech, low-life as the saying goes. It also has an unusual amount of horror elements (most of the Sephiroth pursuit). Add genetic experimentation (Red XIII, Jenova, Hojo, Soldier), police states, capitalist governments, and cyborgs (Barett). End of the world. Hell, you play as environmental terrorists.

Both games are masterpieces in their own right (with outstanding soundtracks). 7 years isn't that much of a gap. I played both at their respective releases.

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« Reply #42 on: October 17, 2019, 03:38:13 AM »
I'd argue that FFVII is a cyberpunk game and that it's predecessor was steampunk.

Especially the Midgar Zone. Hi-tech, low-life as the saying goes. It also has an unusual amount of horror elements (most of the Sephiroth pursuit). Add genetic experimentation (Red XIII, Jenova, Hojo, Soldier), police states, capitalist governments, and cyborgs (Barett). End of the world. Hell, you play as environmental terrorists.

Both games are masterpieces in their own right (with outstanding soundtracks). 7 years isn't that much of a gap. I played both at their respective releases.

I was sad when I finished Midgar because the technology excited me, whereas the lack thereof disinterested me. That said, FFIV is one of my fave FF games, and it is nearly devoid of tech compared to FVII, VIII, X, XIII.
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« Reply #43 on: October 18, 2019, 06:04:08 PM »
I was sad when I finished Midgar because the technology excited me, whereas the lack thereof disinterested me. That said, FFIV is one of my fave FF games, and it is nearly devoid of tech compared to FVII, VIII, X, XIII.

One day I'll play a Final Fantasy game... I know I will !
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« Reply #44 on: October 19, 2019, 04:15:16 AM »
I was sad when I finished Midgar because the technology excited me, whereas the lack thereof disinterested me. That said, FFIV is one of my fave FF games, and it is nearly devoid of tech compared to FVII, VIII, X, XIII.

One day I'll play a Final Fantasy game... I know I will !


Haha, you're not missing much, but I suppose it depends on who you ask. If you like choices in your narrative, deep characters, and combat that doesn't get repetitive...look elsewhere...unless you ask the truly deluded members of the FF fandom. They love the games as much as I love Bloodlines, except I'm not a psychotic zealot who would claim that Bloodlines 1's combat is good in present day, while they would claim that the old FF game's character graphics in dialog and non-movie/non-combat areas look good.