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Offline Highwayman667

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« Reply #15 on: October 03, 2019, 12:22:06 AM »
Also, no crunch time. I'd rather the release date be pushed back multiple times than the developers be forced to rush things and put out an inevitably inferior product. I can wait for a superior VTMB2, personally. It doesn't have to come out in March 2020. Shit I could wait until 2021 if they need that much extra time to make sure it's perfect.

It also sets a bad precedent for the conditions that developers are forced to endure. Everybody was having fun with Mortal Kombat 11 until this juicy bit came out:

https://variety.com/2019/gaming/features/netherrealm-studio-warner-bros-games-toxic-1203204728/
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« Reply #16 on: October 03, 2019, 12:24:39 AM »
Also, no crunch time. I'd rather the release date be pushed back multiple times than the developers be forced to rush things and put out an inevitably inferior product. I can wait for a superior VTMB2, personally. It doesn't have to come out in March 2020. Shit I could wait until 2021 if they need that much extra time to make sure it's perfect.

It also sets a bad precedent for the conditions that developers are forced to endure. Everybody was having fun with Mortal Kombat 11 until this juicy bit came out:

https://variety.com/2019/gaming/features/netherrealm-studio-warner-bros-games-toxic-1203204728/

Exactly. This is entirely what I don't want to happen to VTMB2.

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« Reply #17 on: October 03, 2019, 04:37:30 PM »
Also, no crunch time. I'd rather the release date be pushed back multiple times than the developers be forced to rush things and put out an inevitably inferior product. I can wait for a superior VTMB2, personally. It doesn't have to come out in March 2020. Shit I could wait until 2021 if they need that much extra time to make sure it's perfect.
I agree and i also think that Bloodlines 2 needs more time.
But my main problem is the current time slot. March 2020. Too close to Cyberpunk and other big games.
They should release Bloodlines 2 right now in a year which means Fall 2020. September or early October 2020 would be perfect.

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« Reply #18 on: October 03, 2019, 05:06:20 PM »
Also, no crunch time. I'd rather the release date be pushed back multiple times than the developers be forced to rush things and put out an inevitably inferior product. I can wait for a superior VTMB2, personally. It doesn't have to come out in March 2020. Shit I could wait until 2021 if they need that much extra time to make sure it's perfect.
I agree and i also think that Bloodlines 2 needs more time.
But my main problem is the current time slot. March 2020. Too close to Cyberpunk and other big games.
They should release Bloodlines 2 right now in a year which means Fall 2020. September or early October 2020 would be perfect.

I would be 100% okay with this, honestly...

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« Reply #19 on: October 09, 2019, 06:08:43 PM »
Two more reasons to delay Bloodlines: well, the release of another big game Doom Eternal is also March 2020.

And the last and very likely joinable Bloodlines 2 faction are the Unseen basically a Nosferatu faction.  So we can join the Nosferatu faction but for the main game we can´t play as Nosferatu. This is really weird. Maybe besides polishing and in a more less competitor heavy space they really should add the Nosferatu as playable clan
in the main game without any DLCs.
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« Reply #20 on: October 09, 2019, 08:04:53 PM »
Two more reasons to delay Bloodlines: well, the release of another big game Doom Eternal is also March 2020.

And the last and very likely joinable Bloodlines 2 faction are the Unseen basically a Nosferatu faction.  So we can join the Nosferatu faction but for the main game we can´t play as Nosferatu. This is really weird. Maybe besides polishing and in a more less competitor heavy space they really should add the Nosferatu as playable clan
in the main game without any DLCs.

Agreed 100%. I genuinely would rather it come out later in 2020, and like I said... I can even wait until 2021 if need be. I want this game to be perfect. Forcing it out by March could end up being a disaster.

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« Reply #21 on: October 09, 2019, 11:27:01 PM »
Agreed 100%. I genuinely would rather it come out later in 2020, and like I said... I can even wait until 2021 if need be. I want this game to be perfect. Forcing it out by March could end up being a disaster.
Well, in the official Paradox forum for example it's an unpopular opinion to say that a delay would really help.
I believe some people want to have the game right now regardless what this means for the overall product quality and a possible Bloodlines 3 or other games in
the World of Darkness. This is really selfish and, sorry, stupid. And I am tired to argue with them.
Delaying a game isn´t a bad thing. They shouldn´t delay so many years like the infamous Duke Nukem Forever but a few more extra months could really help Bloodlines 2.

 A March 2020 release could theoretical work in all fairness but I really doubt this would be a good idea overall.
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« Reply #22 on: October 10, 2019, 03:30:32 AM »
It's VERY. VERY. VERY... important to release that even if it gets delayed, that's no guarantee it will be the best game it can be.

People need to understand that this game probably won't be as good as the first, maybe not, but whatever happens it's okay, it's just a game.

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« Reply #23 on: October 10, 2019, 05:48:44 AM »
It's VERY. VERY. VERY... important to release that even if it gets delayed, that's no guarantee it will be the best game it can be.

People need to understand that this game probably won't be as good as the first, maybe not, but whatever happens it's okay, it's just a game.

I love VTMB1. It's why I'm here, after all. But let's not pretend like it isn't the fan mods that have made it so good. I played the game vanilla without even the UP basic (via Steam) and holy shit it was hard to play. Intriguing enough to get me interested, obviously, but clearly incomplete and broken. On top of that, I don't like the way you treat Heather, and I wish there were more dialog options and choices in terms of how to play, with more or at least expanded endings. Plus that damn Warrens level, and the broken combat, and the limited (IMO) disciplines...

Honestly, I think there's an opportunity for VTMB2 to be better than VTMB1. I mean, it will be better in just the simple fact that it will be complete, and, hopefully, less buggy. But I think it can expand out, as well.

I haven't been to the official Paradox forum, but they're assholes if they're demanding the game NOW! That's ridiculous. I want VTMB2 to be amazing. If they have to go into crunch, it won't be. I'd rather they delay it than go into crunch.
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« Reply #24 on: October 10, 2019, 06:14:37 AM »
Honestly, I think there's an opportunity for VTMB2 to be better than VTMB1. I mean, it will be better in just the simple fact that it will be complete, and, hopefully, less buggy. But I think it can expand out, as well.

I agree. Unfortunately gamers believe in sacred cows and many people find Bloodlines 1 to be among those.

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« Reply #25 on: October 10, 2019, 09:15:14 AM »
It's VERY. VERY. VERY... important to release that even if it gets delayed, that's no guarantee it will be the best game it can be.
I know, that's why I mentioned Duke Nukem Forever but we aren´t talking about some more years, only a few months.
And in my opinion Bloodlines 2 needs for various reasons more time. Releasing any game in March 2020 is currently a bad idea so delay it.

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People need to understand that this game probably won't be as good as the first, maybe not, but whatever happens it's okay, it's just a game.
Maybe or maybe not, who knows but fact is Hardsuit Labs, Paradox and their partner want to sell this game and create their own World of Darkness games universum
so a buggy game could hurt this plan.
Also is March 2020 really the best place for this game where it is crowded with tons of bigger competitors? Releasing alongside Cyberpunk is in my opinion
worse than Bloodlines 1 who shared the release date with Half Life 2.
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« Reply #26 on: October 10, 2019, 12:13:01 PM »
I have no real info or clues, but those dates are estimated.
It's very common that studios announce delays a few months before the release...
If all of you can see that releasing in the cyberpunk month is a mistake, don't you think they have thought about it?

It's sad to say that there're a few AAA RPG games in the market, and all the people that I know buy them all. If fallout X will be released in the same month than dragon age, I'll buy both eventually.

I only have one statistic, and says that the 40% of the tripleA games sales are preorders....
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« Reply #27 on: October 10, 2019, 01:35:40 PM »
If all of you can see that releasing in the cyberpunk month is a mistake, don't you think they have thought about it?

They have, and the main problem of delaying B2 into autumn is that the new console generation will be released around the time!
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« Reply #28 on: October 10, 2019, 02:40:07 PM »
If all of you can see that releasing in the cyberpunk month is a mistake, don't you think they had though about it?

They have, and the main problem of delaying B2 into autumn is that the new console generation will be released around the time!
Didn't know it, but this is a good reason. Better compete with cyberpunk than with a new console... It's hard releasing a game or a movie in a month without competition....
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« Reply #29 on: October 10, 2019, 10:28:04 PM »
Lots of good points, I think. I'm also worried about the release coinciding with the Q1 release of the FFVII remake, which I expect to dominate console sales. I think, too, it draws from the same pool of nostalgic RPG-ers from the time period.

While I generally agree about making the game good, I also think it has to get to market. I think there a quite a few Gen X, Y, and Z-ers who have never heard of WoD or VtM. In some ways, you need exposure to generate momentum to make good games. There's been too much nothing, in my opinion. But, with the success of LA by Night, V5, and the upcoming WW game, I think WoD can endure in traditional and non-traditional platforms. To me, that's greater than any single game. TL;DR: yes I want it to be good, but I think it needs to come out or it doesn't matter whether it's good. Cheers, all!