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Offline Highwayman667

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I do love Dragon Age very much, but my GOD I am getting so bored with Darkspawn and the limits on magic because of the dangers of the fade and no real dieties.  There is no credible creation myths at all, so we don't know how the world got there like we do with Realmspace or The Elder Scrolls.  There are hardly ANY traditional Goblinkin so far in that setting.

There are "creation myths" in Dragon Age, they're just not "creation truths" like in TES with the Aedra and Daedra.

The beauty of Dragon Age's creation myth is that there very likely isn't one. In the end "The Maker" might just end up being a really old human mage... and that's it...

... or at least that's where I'm putting my theories, seeing the truth about the elven gods in DAI.

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I do love Dragon Age very much, but my GOD I am getting so bored with Darkspawn and the limits on magic because of the dangers of the fade and no real dieties.  There is no credible creation myths at all, so we don't know how the world got there like we do with Realmspace or The Elder Scrolls.  There are hardly ANY traditional Goblinkin so far in that setting.

There are "creation myths" in Dragon Age, they're just not "creation truths" like in TES with the Aedra and Daedra.

The beauty of Dragon Age's creation myth is that there very likely isn't one. In the end "The Maker" might just end up being a really old human mage... and that's it...

... or at least that's where I'm putting my theories, seeing the truth about the elven gods in DAI.

I get that there are creation myths.  You can't play any of the games in the franchise without hearing about the Maker and the Chantry.  But like you said, there are no "creation truths".   So far we have learned that the Old Gods are some kind of mega Dragonkin but we don't know what they are beyond that.  Epically powerful Draconic mages?  We found out what the Elvin gods really are.  Corrupt, selfish, glorified long-lived but mortal Elven Mages.    We know that the Akavir gods are simply fade spirits.  I am dying to know the real story behind the Maker.  If Andraste was really a historic figure and the events she was involved in that ultimately lead to her martyrdom really happened then the Maker is SOMETHING.  Most likely not an actual god because BioWare's MO thusfar regarding Dragon Age religion has been for gods to be unmasked as false.  Yet we do know that spirits are real in this world.  The fade is real.  If spirits are real then how powerful can they get?  In most religions, gods are usually spirits themselves, just very powerful ones, sometimes omnipotent ones as in the case of Judeo/Christianity.  The Judeo/Christian God is a spirit.  An all powerful spirit, but still, a spirit, according to their teachings.  So once the existence of spirits is established, the possibility of the existence of deities ceases to be genuinely outlandish.  And the world that the continent of Thesas exists on didn't come out of thin air. 

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I do love Dragon Age very much, but my GOD I am getting so bored with Darkspawn and the limits on magic because of the dangers of the fade and no real dieties.  There is no credible creation myths at all, so we don't know how the world got there like we do with Realmspace or The Elder Scrolls.  There are hardly ANY traditional Goblinkin so far in that setting.

There are "creation myths" in Dragon Age, they're just not "creation truths" like in TES with the Aedra and Daedra.

The beauty of Dragon Age's creation myth is that there very likely isn't one. In the end "The Maker" might just end up being a really old human mage... and that's it...

... or at least that's where I'm putting my theories, seeing the truth about the elven gods in DAI.

I get that there are creation myths.  You can't play any of the games in the franchise without hearing about the Maker and the Chantry.  But like you said, there are no "creation truths".   So far we have learned that the Old Gods are some kind of mega Dragonkin but we don't know what they are beyond that.  Epically powerful Draconic mages?  We found out what the Elvin gods really are.  Corrupt, selfish, glorified long-lived but mortal Elven Mages.    We know that the Akavir gods are simply fade spirits.  I am dying to know the real story behind the Maker.  If Andraste was really a historic figure and the events she was involved in that ultimately lead to her martyrdom really happened then the Maker is SOMETHING.  Most likely not an actual god because BioWare's MO thusfar regarding Dragon Age religion has been for gods to be unmasked as false.  Yet we do know that spirits are real in this world.  The fade is real.  If spirits are real then how powerful can they get?  In most religions, gods are usually spirits themselves, just very powerful ones, sometimes omnipotent ones as in the case of Judeo/Christianity.  The Judeo/Christian God is a spirit.  An all powerful spirit, but still, a spirit, according to their teachings.  So once the existence of spirits is established, the possibility of the existence of deities ceases to be genuinely outlandish.  And the world that the continent of Thesas exists on didn't come out of thin air.

To be fair, though, they just changed a bunch of proper nouns in Warhammer for everything demon/fade/mage-related. I highly urge anyone who liked DA to look up Warhammer daemon/warp/psyker lore. You take Warhammer, superglue it onto a luke-warm Judeo-Christian creation, and you've got DA. Seriously, though...DA has taken so much Warhammer you don't even know, as far as demon/fade/mage stuff goes. They're just name changes for the most part. =/

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And the world that the continent of Thesas exists on didn't come out of thin air.

Or maybe it's just a regular old planet !


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I do love Dragon Age very much, but my GOD I am getting so bored with Darkspawn and the limits on magic because of the dangers of the fade and no real dieties.  There is no credible creation myths at all, so we don't know how the world got there like we do with Realmspace or The Elder Scrolls.  There are hardly ANY traditional Goblinkin so far in that setting.

There are "creation myths" in Dragon Age, they're just not "creation truths" like in TES with the Aedra and Daedra.

The beauty of Dragon Age's creation myth is that there very likely isn't one. In the end "The Maker" might just end up being a really old human mage... and that's it...

... or at least that's where I'm putting my theories, seeing the truth about the elven gods in DAI.

I get that there are creation myths.  You can't play any of the games in the franchise without hearing about the Maker and the Chantry.  But like you said, there are no "creation truths".   So far we have learned that the Old Gods are some kind of mega Dragonkin but we don't know what they are beyond that.  Epically powerful Draconic mages?  We found out what the Elvin gods really are.  Corrupt, selfish, glorified long-lived but mortal Elven Mages.    We know that the Akavir gods are simply fade spirits.  I am dying to know the real story behind the Maker.  If Andraste was really a historic figure and the events she was involved in that ultimately lead to her martyrdom really happened then the Maker is SOMETHING.  Most likely not an actual god because BioWare's MO thusfar regarding Dragon Age religion has been for gods to be unmasked as false.  Yet we do know that spirits are real in this world.  The fade is real.  If spirits are real then how powerful can they get?  In most religions, gods are usually spirits themselves, just very powerful ones, sometimes omnipotent ones as in the case of Judeo/Christianity.  The Judeo/Christian God is a spirit.  An all powerful spirit, but still, a spirit, according to their teachings.  So once the existence of spirits is established, the possibility of the existence of deities ceases to be genuinely outlandish.  And the world that the continent of Thesas exists on didn't come out of thin air.

To be fair, though, they just changed a bunch of proper nouns in Warhammer for everything demon/fade/mage-related. I highly urge anyone who liked DA to look up Warhammer daemon/warp/psyker lore. You take Warhammer, superglue it onto a luke-warm Judeo-Christian creation, and you've got DA. Seriously, though...DA has taken so much Warhammer you don't even know, as far as demon/fade/mage stuff goes. They're just name changes for the most part. =/

You have mentioned this a few times and I have looked it up.  They do seem fairly similar, though I definitely prefer the concept of mages to psykers. 

Inspired by Warhammer though DA may be, I doubt that we can look to Warhammer for canon answers to the question of who and what The Maker really is, or the Old Gods for that matter.  The Old Gods have only been partially unmasked.  We know that through the proper conditions being met (a true Grey Warden delivering the killing blow) an Old God that has been corrupted into an Archdemon can be killed.  There is clearly something very unique and special about the old gods that they have this power to return from death through the body of a Darkspawn or Blight Touched being.  Does this mean that before they are corrupted, they cannot be killed at all?  I imagine we might find out more about the old gods before we find out more about The Maker.

And the world that the continent of Thesas exists on didn't come out of thin air.

Or maybe it's just a regular old planet !

 That cute little Mass Effect easter egg aside, the Thedas of Dragon Age is not a planet.  Thedas is ON a planet, naturally.  Its not a planet itself.  Its a continent.  As for the planet that Thedas is on, its a planet with magic, the fade and spirits. It was once utterly encompassed by The Fade. 
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I do love Dragon Age very much, but my GOD I am getting so bored with Darkspawn and the limits on magic because of the dangers of the fade and no real dieties.  There is no credible creation myths at all, so we don't know how the world got there like we do with Realmspace or The Elder Scrolls.  There are hardly ANY traditional Goblinkin so far in that setting.

There are "creation myths" in Dragon Age, they're just not "creation truths" like in TES with the Aedra and Daedra.

The beauty of Dragon Age's creation myth is that there very likely isn't one. In the end "The Maker" might just end up being a really old human mage... and that's it...

... or at least that's where I'm putting my theories, seeing the truth about the elven gods in DAI.

I get that there are creation myths.  You can't play any of the games in the franchise without hearing about the Maker and the Chantry.  But like you said, there are no "creation truths".   So far we have learned that the Old Gods are some kind of mega Dragonkin but we don't know what they are beyond that.  Epically powerful Draconic mages?  We found out what the Elvin gods really are.  Corrupt, selfish, glorified long-lived but mortal Elven Mages.    We know that the Akavir gods are simply fade spirits.  I am dying to know the real story behind the Maker.  If Andraste was really a historic figure and the events she was involved in that ultimately lead to her martyrdom really happened then the Maker is SOMETHING.  Most likely not an actual god because BioWare's MO thusfar regarding Dragon Age religion has been for gods to be unmasked as false.  Yet we do know that spirits are real in this world.  The fade is real.  If spirits are real then how powerful can they get?  In most religions, gods are usually spirits themselves, just very powerful ones, sometimes omnipotent ones as in the case of Judeo/Christianity.  The Judeo/Christian God is a spirit.  An all powerful spirit, but still, a spirit, according to their teachings.  So once the existence of spirits is established, the possibility of the existence of deities ceases to be genuinely outlandish.  And the world that the continent of Thesas exists on didn't come out of thin air.

To be fair, though, they just changed a bunch of proper nouns in Warhammer for everything demon/fade/mage-related. I highly urge anyone who liked DA to look up Warhammer daemon/warp/psyker lore. You take Warhammer, superglue it onto a luke-warm Judeo-Christian creation, and you've got DA. Seriously, though...DA has taken so much Warhammer you don't even know, as far as demon/fade/mage stuff goes. They're just name changes for the most part. =/

You have mentioned this a few times and I have looked it up.  They do seem fairly similar, though I definitely prefer the concept of mages to psykers. 

Inspired by Warhammer though DA may be, I doubt that we can look to Warhammer for canon answers to the question of who and what The Maker really is, or the Old Gods for that matter.  The Old Gods have only been partially unmasked.  We know that through the proper conditions being met (a true Grey Warden delivering the killing blow) an Old God that has been corrupted into an Archdemon can be killed.  There is clearly something very unique and special about the old gods that they have this power to return from death through the body of a Darkspawn or Blight Touched being.  Does this mean that before they are corrupted, they cannot be killed at all?  I imagine we might find out more about the old gods before we find out more about The Maker.

And the world that the continent of Thesas exists on didn't come out of thin air.

Or maybe it's just a regular old planet !

 That cute little Mass Effect easter egg aside, the Thedas of Dragon Age is not a planet.  Thedas is ON a planet, naturally.  Its not a planet itself.  Its a continent.  As for the planet that Thedas is on, its a planet with magic, the fade and spirits. It was one utterly encompassed by The Fade.

Or they're just pulling this stuff outta their butts about the old gods and you'll never get any closure. My DA:I bitterness is showing. D':

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People, can you please stick to the topics of a thread and move your Dragon Age / Elder Scrolls discussions to some other place?

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That cute little Mass Effect easter egg aside, the Thedas of Dragon Age is not a planet.  Thedas is ON a planet, naturally.  Its not a planet itself.  Its a continent.  As for the planet that Thedas is on, its a planet with magic, the fade and spirits. It was once utterly encompassed by The Fade.

I will say that if I am pissed at anything, is if The Maker is real and turns out to be an actual god.

I always thought the worst part in Origins was discovering that the Urn of Sacred Ashes was actually an urn with healing powers. What a bunch of shit. Not even the original legend it was based upon even worked like that.

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That cute little Mass Effect easter egg aside, the Thedas of Dragon Age is not a planet.  Thedas is ON a planet, naturally.  Its not a planet itself.  Its a continent.  As for the planet that Thedas is on, its a planet with magic, the fade and spirits. It was once utterly encompassed by The Fade.

I will say that if I am pissed at anything, is if The Maker is real and turns out to be an actual god.

I always thought the worst part in Origins was discovering that the Urn of Sacred Ashes was actually an urn with healing powers. What a bunch of shit. Not even the original legend it was based upon even worked like that.

Wesp wants us to stay on topic here, but I will respond to this in the Fantasy Lore thread if you want to continue this discussion:  https://forums.planetvampire.com/off-topic/fantasy-lore/msg148349/#msg148349

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Re: Vampire: The Masquerade – Coteries of New York / Third Vampire Game!!!
« Reply #69 on: October 19, 2019, 11:49:53 AM »
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Vampire: the Masquerade - Coteries of New York will launch December 4th 2019 on PC!
The Nintendo Switch version of the game will be released in Q1 2020.
and we are talking with @PdxInteractive about PS4 and Xbox One versions


https://twitter.com/DrawDistanceDev/status/1185486281704443905

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Re: Vampire: The Masquerade – Coteries of New York / Third Vampire Game!!!
« Reply #70 on: October 20, 2019, 02:13:42 AM »
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Vampire: the Masquerade - Coteries of New York will launch December 4th 2019 on PC!
The Nintendo Switch version of the game will be released in Q1 2020.
and we are talking with @PdxInteractive about PS4 and Xbox One versions


https://twitter.com/DrawDistanceDev/status/1185486281704443905

Holy shit, that's soon!

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Re: Vampire: The Masquerade – Coteries of New York / Third Vampire Game!!!
« Reply #71 on: October 20, 2019, 10:33:25 AM »
Any idea what kind of game these really are? No screenshots, no videos with such a close release date?

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Re: Vampire: The Masquerade – Coteries of New York / Third Vampire Game!!!
« Reply #72 on: October 20, 2019, 11:46:19 AM »
Any idea what kind of game these really are? No screenshots, no videos with such a close release date?
I have no idea about Swansong but Coteries of New York looks like a Graphic Novel Adventure
https://www.gog.com/game/vampire_the_masquerade_coteries_of_new_york

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Re: Vampire: The Masquerade – Coteries of New York / Third Vampire Game!!!
« Reply #73 on: October 21, 2019, 04:42:57 AM »
Any idea what kind of game these really are? No screenshots, no videos with such a close release date?
I have no idea about Swansong but Coteries of New York looks like a Graphic Novel Adventure
https://www.gog.com/game/vampire_the_masquerade_coteries_of_new_york

Given the screens/art, that was my take on it as well.

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Re: Vampire: The Masquerade – Coteries of New York / Third Vampire Game!!!
« Reply #74 on: October 28, 2019, 05:43:09 PM »
Given the screens/art, that was my take on it as well.
It is one. ;)


The art is fine but it really depends on the story. Too be honest i don´t expect much.