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It sounds like they want to keep adding to the game if its successful, so it may be a bit more elaborate than a basic Telltale game.

I think that would hit the sweet spot for me, since I found TWD a little too light on the gameplay side, hopefully I'll be able to learn more in the future, and decide whether or not it's something for me. Not that I am in any hurry to buy new games, my backlog is huge already. XD

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Like that 2nd thread on character speculation. For an admin it's possible to merge topics?
You mean Grout? This should a seperate thread because in my opinion its an interessing and unique topic
which deserves its own thread.

But this one? We clearly don´t need two threads about Vampire: The Masquerade – Coteries of New York.

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It sounds like they want to keep adding to the game if its successful, so it may be a bit more elaborate than a basic Telltale game.

I think that would hit the sweet spot for me, since I found TWD a little too light on the gameplay side, hopefully I'll be able to learn more in the future, and decide whether or not it's something for me. Not that I am in any hurry to buy new games, my backlog is huge already. XD

I'm certainly in a hurry.  I do have some games I need to play yet.  "Technomancer" has been sitting in my Steam library for awhile now, the new "Call of Cthulhu" and "Vampyr", but they won't last me a year. 
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Just for your info, I have merged the two topics about this game now.
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It sounds like they want to keep adding to the game if its successful, so it may be a bit more elaborate than a basic Telltale game.

I think that would hit the sweet spot for me, since I found TWD a little too light on the gameplay side, hopefully I'll be able to learn more in the future, and decide whether or not it's something for me. Not that I am in any hurry to buy new games, my backlog is huge already. XD

I'm certainly in a hurry.  I do have some games I need to play yet.  "Technomancer" has been sitting in my Steam library for awhile now, the new "Call of Cthulhu" and "Vampyr", but they won't last me a year.

I just played Technomancer the other day for the first time. Meh. To be fair, though, I am The Princess and the Pea with games, though. If you are fine with half-assed stuff, you might like it. That's not a dig on you, of course (well, the elitist part of me does a rich person laugh and an eye-roll), but it's more of a pro for you because it means you can enjoy games I never could, potentially.

My biggest gripe about Technomancer from the like...3-4 hours I could stomach it, is just the world. It SEEMS like an interesting world based on the information they give you, but the characters and maps are spready out too much. Imagine if Bloodlines 1 took Santa Monica, had the same number of RELEVANT places and characters, then spread everything and everyone out across an area like 5x the size of the current in-game Santa Monica. And of course, you're on foot, so no, there's no cool transportation to make the travel un-fun.

So basically they BS the world's size and scope by just making the maps big. Perhaps it doesn't persist through all towns, but the first city you hit...it was an instant deal-breaker for me.

I want to like Cthulhu stuff, but I hate the idea of going crazy if you figure the plot out. Getting a bad ending for understanding WTF happened is annoying, so I've yet to pick that game up. Also, I can't seem to get into that setting. Basically everyone in those games just act like Silent Hill butthole townspeople who want to be vague and keep secrets by giving you shitty looks or trying to kill you with random fish people. Just setting it in the 1920s or whenever doesn't automatically get my thumbs up. I need stuff to INTEREST me, and it ain't doing it. =/

Vampyr. Ohoho, FUCK Vampyr. I hate that game so much. Its characters are trash and like two different characters said stuff about being "a strong, independent woman" because the writers don't know how to write strong, independent women. They just make memes of outspoken bitches and call them token SJW phrases instead of ACTUALLY making awesome women who are powerful. I didn't need someone to say the magic words for Lara Croft to start kicking ass and taking names in the Tomb Raider reboot. These SJW brownie point slogan things are just silly and cheapen the writing. Show, don't tell. Jeez.

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I want to like Cthulhu stuff, but I hate the idea of going crazy if you figure the plot out.

Besides that, the last "Call of Chtulhu" game was a boring walking simulator and can hardly be called a game!

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Vampyr. Ohoho, FUCK Vampyr. I hate that game so much. Its characters are trash and like two different characters said stuff about being "a strong, independent woman" because the writers don't know how to write strong, independent women.

I completely agree! Also all the bullshit with the player eating anyone alive while fighting and then being a pussy when talking with NPCs. That is one vampire game that didn't get the difference between being a monster and keeping your humanity.

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I just played Technomancer the other day for the first time. Meh. To be fair, though, I am The Princess and the Pea with games, though. If you are fine with half-assed stuff, you might like it. That's not a dig on you, of course (well, the elitist part of me does a rich person laugh and an eye-roll), but it's more of a pro for you because it means you can enjoy games I never could, potentially.

My biggest gripe about Technomancer from the like...3-4 hours I could stomach it, is just the world. It SEEMS like an interesting world based on the information they give you, but the characters and maps are spready out too much. Imagine if Bloodlines 1 took Santa Monica, had the same number of RELEVANT places and characters, then spread everything and everyone out across an area like 5x the size of the current in-game Santa Monica. And of course, you're on foot, so no, there's no cool transportation to make the travel un-fun.

So basically they BS the world's size and scope by just making the maps big. Perhaps it doesn't persist through all towns, but the first city you hit...it was an instant deal-breaker for me.

I want to like Cthulhu stuff, but I hate the idea of going crazy if you figure the plot out. Getting a bad ending for understanding WTF happened is annoying, so I've yet to pick that game up. Also, I can't seem to get into that setting. Basically everyone in those games just act like Silent Hill butthole townspeople who want to be vague and keep secrets by giving you shitty looks or trying to kill you with random fish people. Just setting it in the 1920s or whenever doesn't automatically get my thumbs up. I need stuff to INTEREST me, and it ain't doing it. =/

Vampyr. Ohoho, FUCK Vampyr. I hate that game so much. Its characters are trash and like two different characters said stuff about being "a strong, independent woman" because the writers don't know how to write strong, independent women. They just make memes of outspoken bitches and call them token SJW phrases instead of ACTUALLY making awesome women who are powerful. I didn't need someone to say the magic words for Lara Croft to start kicking ass and taking names in the Tomb Raider reboot. These SJW brownie point slogan things are just silly and cheapen the writing. Show, don't tell. Jeez.

I appreciate that you have given me your take on these games, I do still intend to form my own opinion about them however.  lol

I don't know if I am easier to please than you are but its possible that different types of things annoy us about video games (or TV shows).  I might roll my eyes at "I am a strong independent woman!!" if I come across it in a game, but it won't utterly destroy the game for me.  I remember in Skyrim that Nord woman Olfina or whatever that kept saying "What's the Matter!  Can't stand the sight of a strong Nord woman??"  Then when danger actually showed up, she ran around cowering.  I thought it was hilarious.  I HAAATED several aspects of the Witcher series (OMG Dethmold the Depraved Gay lol) but over all I adore the franchise and looked past the things that bugged me.  I know eventually they will make a 4th one and I can't wait for it. 

Here's a gal who shows rather than says, for ya!  :D


Besides that, the last "Call of Chtulhu" game was a boring walking simulator and can hardly be called a game!

You mean "Call of Cthulhu: Dark Corners of the Earth"?

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You mean "Call of Cthulhu: Dark Corners of the Earth"?

No, if I remember correctly this was a decent game. I meant the new one just called "Call of Cthulhu" from last year!

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You mean "Call of Cthulhu: Dark Corners of the Earth"?

No, if I remember correctly this was a decent game. I meant the new one just called "Call of Cthulhu" from last year!

Ah!  Yes that is the one I haven't played yet, I really enjoyed Dark Corners of the Earth. 

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I love Cthulhu games, for PC and p&p. Having the own character going crazy over time, is what makes it interesting for me, but then, I'm a big Lovecraft fan.
I'm anxiously awaiting the Sinking City.

Oh and totally unrelated, but because there are so many Baldurs Gate fans here:BG 3 is coming (2 had vampires in it, so not totally off topic ;))
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I love Cthulhu games, for PC and p&p. Having the own character going crazy over time, is what makes it interesting for me, but then, I'm a big Lovecraft fan.
I'm anxiously awaiting the Sinking City.

Oh and totally unrelated, but because there are so many Baldurs Gate fans here:BG 3 is coming (2 had vampires in it, so not totally off topic ;))

That is still happening?  Fantastic! 

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I love Cthulhu games, for PC and p&p. Having the own character going crazy over time, is what makes it interesting for me, but then, I'm a big Lovecraft fan.
I'm anxiously awaiting the Sinking City.

Oh and totally unrelated, but because there are so many Baldurs Gate fans here:BG 3 is coming (2 had vampires in it, so not totally off topic ;))

That is still happening?  Fantastic!
Yeeeess
“They can keep their heaven. When I die, I’d sooner go to Middle Earth.” ― George R.R. Martin

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I love Cthulhu games, for PC and p&p. Having the own character going crazy over time, is what makes it interesting for me, but then, I'm a big Lovecraft fan.
I'm anxiously awaiting the Sinking City.

Oh and totally unrelated, but because there are so many Baldurs Gate fans here:BG 3 is coming (2 had vampires in it, so not totally off topic ;))

That is still happening?  Fantastic!
Yeeeess


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I just played Technomancer the other day for the first time. Meh. To be fair, though, I am The Princess and the Pea with games, though. If you are fine with half-assed stuff, you might like it. That's not a dig on you, of course (well, the elitist part of me does a rich person laugh and an eye-roll), but it's more of a pro for you because it means you can enjoy games I never could, potentially.

My biggest gripe about Technomancer from the like...3-4 hours I could stomach it, is just the world. It SEEMS like an interesting world based on the information they give you, but the characters and maps are spready out too much. Imagine if Bloodlines 1 took Santa Monica, had the same number of RELEVANT places and characters, then spread everything and everyone out across an area like 5x the size of the current in-game Santa Monica. And of course, you're on foot, so no, there's no cool transportation to make the travel un-fun.

So basically they BS the world's size and scope by just making the maps big. Perhaps it doesn't persist through all towns, but the first city you hit...it was an instant deal-breaker for me.

I want to like Cthulhu stuff, but I hate the idea of going crazy if you figure the plot out. Getting a bad ending for understanding WTF happened is annoying, so I've yet to pick that game up. Also, I can't seem to get into that setting. Basically everyone in those games just act like Silent Hill butthole townspeople who want to be vague and keep secrets by giving you shitty looks or trying to kill you with random fish people. Just setting it in the 1920s or whenever doesn't automatically get my thumbs up. I need stuff to INTEREST me, and it ain't doing it. =/

Vampyr. Ohoho, FUCK Vampyr. I hate that game so much. Its characters are trash and like two different characters said stuff about being "a strong, independent woman" because the writers don't know how to write strong, independent women. They just make memes of outspoken bitches and call them token SJW phrases instead of ACTUALLY making awesome women who are powerful. I didn't need someone to say the magic words for Lara Croft to start kicking ass and taking names in the Tomb Raider reboot. These SJW brownie point slogan things are just silly and cheapen the writing. Show, don't tell. Jeez.

I appreciate that you have given me your take on these games, I do still intend to form my own opinion about them however.  lol

I don't know if I am easier to please than you are but its possible that different types of things annoy us about video games (or TV shows).  I might roll my eyes at "I am a strong independent woman!!" if I come across it in a game, but it won't utterly destroy the game for me.  I remember in Skyrim that Nord woman Olfina or whatever that kept saying "What's the Matter!  Can't stand the sight of a strong Nord woman??"  Then when danger actually showed up, she ran around cowering.  I thought it was hilarious.  I HAAATED several aspects of the Witcher series (OMG Dethmold the Depraved Gay lol) but over all I adore the franchise and looked past the things that bugged me.  I know eventually they will make a 4th one and I can't wait for it. 

Here's a gal who shows rather than says, for ya!  :D


Besides that, the last "Call of Chtulhu" game was a boring walking simulator and can hardly be called a game!

You mean "Call of Cthulhu: Dark Corners of the Earth"?

Haha, but of course. What it's going to come down to is "do the things I pointed out suck enough to put you off when you're playing?" If not, you might have a good time, but if those are deal-breakers for you, you're gonna have a bad time. I didn't even mention the difficulty on Technomancer. Not very well-balanced and makes you feel like a little bitch despite being a lightning mage with combat training and two allies. =p

Vampyr wasn't ruined for me by two or so alleged "strong, independent woman" types (they were just bitches being bitches, as opposed to womanfolk of strong character). You would think that people never heard of Lara Croft, Sarah Kerrigan, Jade (Beyond Good & Evil), Samus Aran, most cool chicks in Bloodlines 1, and so forth, because these devs and journalists' social justice-y lives are meaningless until they can scream "strong, independent woman" about all female characters. And let's talk about Sarah Kerrigan from StarCraft. I'll bet some dumbass would contend she's not "independent" because she's in love with one of those filthy MANfolk things. Um...loving another person does not make you dependent. She's literally the most powerful playable character in the entire StarCraft universe. O_o

Wait, wait, WAIT. "Dethmold the Depraved Gay?" Was this in The Witcher 3? I wasn't going to get it because I never finished The Witcher 2, but if I'm missing out on crazy shit like that, maybe I should sign up. Did they REALLY call him that in the game, too?! "The Depraved Gay?!" That's so dumb and so hilarious all at once. Can Geralt romance him?!?! :O  I don't want those weaksauce pervy animations with romantic and sexual undertones. I want this guy doing some KINKY shit and Geralt to be like "WTF did I get myself into?! I forgot the safe word!" Meanwhile, Triss Merigold is watching from outside through the window, fogging up the glass while she breathes heavily, chin down, eyes up, making her best "me gusta" face.

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Haha, but of course. What it's going to come down to is "do the things I pointed out suck enough to put you off when you're playing?" If not, you might have a good time, but if those are deal-breakers for you, you're gonna have a bad time. I didn't even mention the difficulty on Technomancer. Not very well-balanced and makes you feel like a little bitch despite being a lightning mage with combat training and two allies. =p

Vampyr wasn't ruined for me by two or so alleged "strong, independent woman" types (they were just bitches being bitches, as opposed to womanfolk of strong character). You would think that people never heard of Lara Croft, Sarah Kerrigan, Jade (Beyond Good & Evil), Samus Aran, most cool chicks in Bloodlines 1, and so forth, because these devs and journalists' social justice-y lives are meaningless until they can scream "strong, independent woman" about all female characters. And let's talk about Sarah Kerrigan from StarCraft. I'll bet some dumbass would contend she's not "independent" because she's in love with one of those filthy MANfolk things. Um...loving another person does not make you dependent. She's literally the most powerful playable character in the entire StarCraft universe. O_o

Wait, wait, WAIT. "Dethmold the Depraved Gay?" Was this in The Witcher 3? I wasn't going to get it because I never finished The Witcher 2, but if I'm missing out on crazy shit like that, maybe I should sign up. Did they REALLY call him that in the game, too?! "The Depraved Gay?!" That's so dumb and so hilarious all at once. Can Geralt romance him?!?! :O  I don't want those weaksauce pervy animations with romantic and sexual undertones. I want this guy doing some KINKY shit and Geralt to be like "WTF did I get myself into?! I forgot the safe word!" Meanwhile, Triss Merigold is watching from outside through the window, fogging up the glass while she breathes heavily, chin down, eyes up, making her best "me gusta" face.

No, they didn't call him "The Depraved Gay" in the game.  lol  I was paraphrasing the name of the trope he fits "Depraved Homosexual" and it was in part 2.  Perhaps you didn't make it to that part of the game (and you only do if you make a certain choice) but near the end its revealed that he is gay, he is evil, he keeps what appear to be male slaves that he has sex with, possibly through coercion (it is not shown on screen) and he has sexual torture devices that he apparently is about to use on a dude slave that Geralt and Roche catch him with.  Suddenly he is a cowering, whimpering bitch despite being shown as a fairly fearless magical bad ass earlier in the game, instead of USING his powerful magic to defend himself, he feebly reaches for a sword that is easily batted away from him as his arm is quite effortlessly broken, he squeals about his precious arm being broken, starts screaming and begging for his life in a high pitched bitch whine and ultimately gets castrated and his throat slit by Roche without ever successfully defending himself. 

So yeah, not one of my favorite characters in The Witcher series.  lol 

Dethmold is actually mentioned on the "Depraved Homosexual" TV Trope page under the video games example section:
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DepravedHomosexual