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Offline Wilhelm Streicher 19

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The Epic (Store) Fail
« on: May 17, 2019, 09:35:53 AM »
Maybe you already have heard about the story that Paradox (and others) remove Bloodlines 2 temporary from the Epic Store.
but here two links for more details
https://www.pcgamesn.com/vampire-the-masquerade-bloodlines-2/epic-store-sale

https://kotaku.com/publishers-pull-their-games-from-epics-store-during-its-1834828248

This so stupid from Epic. Who makes sales on games when are not released?
They clearly want to hurt to other Stores like Steam (no surprise), GOG and even Paradox own stop Paradox Plaza.

So if someone still worries about that Bloodlines 2 become an Epic Store (and Paradox Plaza) exclusive well after today
it seems more likely that the hell freezes.
« Last Edit: May 17, 2019, 09:38:55 AM by Wilhelm Streicher 19 »

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Re: The Epic (Store) Fail
« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2019, 09:45:06 AM »
Well, Epic came into the market with the delicate touch of an elephant with rabies. I can understand SOME of the tactics, but their approach has been very crass in most areas. Maybe in a few years the store will be good, but they really didn't win themselves any favour with the audience so far.

I tend to buy from GOG first whenever possible anyway, so I guess I am a rare breed in the market, judging by the market shares.

Some games that were console exclusives are coming to PC thanks to them, so I guess I can appreciate that, at least.

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Re: The Epic (Store) Fail
« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2019, 11:52:11 AM »
Maybe you already have heard about the story that Paradox (and others) remove Bloodlines 2 temporary from the Epic Store.
but here two links for more details
https://www.pcgamesn.com/vampire-the-masquerade-bloodlines-2/epic-store-sale

https://kotaku.com/publishers-pull-their-games-from-epics-store-during-its-1834828248

This so stupid from Epic. Who makes sales on games when are not released?
They clearly want to hurt to other Stores like Steam (no surprise), GOG and even Paradox own stop Paradox Plaza.

So if someone still worries about that Bloodlines 2 become an Epic Store (and Paradox Plaza) exclusive well after today
it seems more likely that the hell freezes.

I sincerely hope that the Epic. Games Store fails utterly. It's store and features are miles behind Steam, and exclusivity deals is how they are getting ahead. Holding products ransom for 6 months to a year on a platform with shit features compared to the standard quo is terribly annoying for consumers.

For my friends and I, we're getting Borderlands 3 on Steam next year and passing on the September 2019 EGS release. I was also interested in getting The Outer World's at launch, but now that it's on EGS only, I will be waiting until it's on Steam (I think it's one-year exclusivity).

And of course I ain't paying more than 75% for Borderlands 3 on Steam since it's no longer close to being a new game. I hope Randy Pitchford's ass hurts after this. Whether he truly had a hand in it or not isn't very relevant any more as he has taken to social media arguing with people about how wonderful this EGS situation is for gamers.

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Re: The Epic (Store) Fail
« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2019, 03:06:06 PM »
Well, Epic came into the market with the delicate touch of an elephant with rabies.

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Re: The Epic (Store) Fail
« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2019, 06:15:40 PM »
I sincerely hope that the Epic Games Store fails utterly. It's store and features are miles behind Steam, and exclusivity deals is how they are getting ahead. Holding products ransom for 6 months to a year on a platform with shit features compared to the standard quo is terribly annoying for consumers.

While I agree that for now Epic behaves rather clumsily, I hope they succeed and kill Steam off or at least destroy its monopoly! Maybe most of you don't remember, but Steam started off by taking all Counter-Strike players ransom and while they have many features now, they didn't have at the start either, and they still don't care one bit about what they sell, like an unpatched Bloodlines which will not run without my patch. Besides that the store is bloated with rubbush since you can basically sell everything there with Steam Direct provided you pay Valve money!

Still I agree that GOG is the best shop out there right now...
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Re: The Epic (Store) Fail
« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2019, 06:18:31 PM »
I sincerely hope that the Epic Games Store fails utterly. It's store and features are miles behind Steam, and exclusivity deals is how they are getting ahead. Holding products ransom for 6 months to a year on a platform with shit features compared to the standard quo is terribly annoying for consumers.

While I agree that for now Epic behaves rather clumsily, I hope they succeed and kill Steam off or at least destroy its monopoly! Maybe most of you don't remember, but Steam started off by taking all Counter-Strike players ransom and while they have many features now, they didn't have at the start either, and they still don't care one bit about what they sell, like an unpatched Bloodlines which will not run without my patch. Besides that the store is bloated with rubbush since you can basically sell everything there with Steam Direct provided you pay Valve money! Still I agree that GOG is the best shop out there right now...

While I agree that Steam needs competition, we don't need a Steam competitor that behaves like this.

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Re: The Epic (Store) Fail
« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2019, 07:00:29 PM »
While I agree that Steam needs competition, we don't need a Steam competitor that behaves like this.

Yeah, it's astounding that such an old-time player like Epic behaves so clumsely. But then I can imagine that they never really planned a store until the Fortnite mania happened and they noticed that they can use it the same way that Valve used Counter-Strike to get their foot in the door while the hype lasts. So they rushed the store and everything else around it...

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« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2019, 07:59:28 PM »
Epic can keep their store. I'm not moving from Steam. Why do they need competition. I buy games. They keep them for me :)

I had to click on my Epic Games short cut on my desktop to remember who they were LoL.
Yes, I'm being facetious haha
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Re: The Epic (Store) Fail
« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2019, 08:33:18 PM »
Yeah, it's astounding that such an old-time player like Epic behaves so clumsely. But then I can imagine that they never really planned a store until the Fortnite mania happened and they noticed that they can use it the same way that Valve used Counter-Strike to get their foot in the door while the hype lasts. So they rushed the store and everything else around it...

To be honest, I don't need someone competing with Steam. I mean, the kind of competition that would exist between Steam and Epic could only (if we are optimistic) mean cheaper prices (and if we are really hopeful, more console exclusives coming to PC), but the reality is that games on PC are already pretty cheap, games cost the same on the epic store, and we are getting timed exclusives, games removed from stores they were supposed to hit before, etc. I own over a 1000 games on Steam, but I consider almost all of them completely disposable. Why? I paid the overwhelming majority of them something like 2 dollars or less, thanks to humble bundle and similar sales. I buy on GOG whenever I can, while I consider most of my games on Steam cheap rental (I buy pretty cheap on GOG too, however). Very rarely there are exceptions to these rules (I pre-ordered RE2 because I am a fan of the original trilogy, and I found a store that gave me a 20% off, allowing me to buy the deluxe version for less than the normal version, and only after playing the demo).

I don't think the current revenue split for devs will last for long (as in, I think Epic have almost no margin to run the store now, and they are just doing it until they gain enough of a market share), so that's not a valid argument to me (as much as I'd be happy for the industry to have better margins, as then maybe they wouldn't be chasing safe bets and huge budgets in the AAA sector all the time).

What could Epic possibly bring to the table? I'll give them a fair chance (I installed the launcher to download one their free games, because I was interested in it), but so far, they discouraged me from buying anything there. I really wish there was a big store that could spread the DRM-free mantra and perhaps a better focus in the industry toward easier preservation for games, but those aren't a priority for anyone.

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Re: The Epic (Store) Fail
« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2019, 09:40:05 PM »
Epic can keep their store. I'm not moving from Steam. Why do they need competition. I buy games. They keep them for me :)

I had to click on my Epic Games short cut on my desktop to remember who they were LoL.
Yes, I'm being facetious haha

The really weird thing is that despite Steam "practically" having no competition, it hasn't been a monolith of overcharging consumers; quite the opposite, compared to other services, physical media, and console games. Just like mdqp, I too own more than 1,000 games on Steam, and quite a few were gotten outrageously cheap. Oh, and just like him, I own RE2, though I bought a Steam key of it last night for half off from greenmangaming.com It's installing now, yay~

Ahem. But yeah, Steam is really billing devs/producers bigtime, whereas Epic is giving the devs/producers insanely good deals. Steam gives amazing services and prices to consumers, whereas Epic is helping the opposite side of the transaction.

As a consumer, however, I don't care how turned on Randy Pitchford gets by the dev/producer side of things paying well if the consumer side is absolute garbage on Epic (which it is, presently). Epic needs to do something to win over gamers if it hopes to compete with Steam. They sure as hell aren't going to win me over by holding games I want hostage for 6 months to a year. I can wait.

Granted, if Bloodlines 2 had been on EGS only, I would've sold out like a total whore and gone with EGS. Thank goodness I can keep my quasi-dignity. :D

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Re: The Epic (Store) Fail
« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2019, 10:45:21 PM »
Steam doesn't Overcharge at all and look what on the horizon next month. The Summer sale :) The amount of games I've got cheap is awesome over the years. Playing them is a different matter lol.

Bloodlines 2 is a play on the day of release. Not many games get that stature with myself. I won't build it up though.

Epic has their current Dev thing going on because that is how they can compete. Now when they get a decent market share. They won't be as good a prospect. Its a lure.

Compare their 5% taken from a Dev's gross earnings of a game from the offset with their engine  but Unity takes only after the first $100,000 you've earned in revenue. I really have no time for Epic. I really don't care if they exist.

I will be getting RE2. Loved it on Playstation. Rebecca Chambers pic anyone? ;)
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Re: The Epic (Store) Fail
« Reply #11 on: May 18, 2019, 03:17:10 AM »
Epic can keep their store. I'm not moving from Steam. Why do they need competition. I buy games. They keep them for me :)

Clearly you're not a Telltale's Walking Dead fan :'( ...

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Re: The Epic (Store) Fail
« Reply #12 on: May 18, 2019, 03:26:33 AM »
Epic can keep their store. I'm not moving from Steam. Why do they need competition. I buy games. They keep them for me :)

Clearly you're not a Telltale's Walking Dead fan :'( ...

What's the correlation?

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Re: The Epic (Store) Fail
« Reply #13 on: May 18, 2019, 04:33:31 AM »
Epic can keep their store. I'm not moving from Steam. Why do they need competition. I buy games. They keep them for me :)

Clearly you're not a Telltale's Walking Dead fan :'( ...

What's the correlation?

The final episode of Telltale's Walking Dead is only available on the Epic Store.

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Re: The Epic (Store) Fail
« Reply #14 on: May 18, 2019, 04:49:37 AM »
Epic can keep their store. I'm not moving from Steam. Why do they need competition. I buy games. They keep them for me :)

Clearly you're not a Telltale's Walking Dead fan :'( ...

What's the correlation?

The final episode of Telltale's Walking Dead is only available on the Epic Store.

Permanently or timed exclusivity? And I don't appreciate EGS holding shit I want to play hostage, so I'm doing what I can to avoid giving those douchebags money.