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Offline Highwayman667

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Re: Should Dr. Alistair Grout make a return?
« Reply #30 on: June 04, 2019, 12:08:14 AM »
You are looking for interesting Malkavian but Grout is too rational for a Malkavian and on top of that very dead. They could bring Tourette's sire. It seems that he is a powerful Methuselah even crazier than Tourette herself and lives in Milwauke.

That was precisely the thing about Grout though. He was articulate, educated, well-spoken and apparently in full control of his own personality.

Which was complete bullshit of course... it takes only one step into his mansion to realize how much he was off the deep end.

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Re: Should Dr. Alistair Grout make a return?
« Reply #31 on: June 04, 2019, 01:48:45 AM »
DarkZephyr: I'd be more okay with Grout's wife making a return than Grout. After all, she has a glass jar around her. Glass jars are badass. That said, I can't say I care enough about her to really want her to make an appearance in Bloodlines 2 if she somehow did survive.

Wilhelm: Repeating the Mr. Freeze story (basically) would be super lame here...but I do hope you're not knocking the Mr. Freeze story in its original form. That was some legit stuff and a bitchin' episode of Batman The Animated Series. It was...chilling. ;D

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Re: Should Dr. Alistair Grout make a return?
« Reply #32 on: June 04, 2019, 02:09:12 AM »
DarkZephyr: I'd be more okay with Grout's wife making a return than Grout. After all, she has a glass jar around her. Glass jars are badass. That said, I can't say I care enough about her to really want her to make an appearance in Bloodlines 2 if she somehow did survive.

They can always make her somebody we care about if they write her well. 

This is all just chit chat though, there is no real need to bring her back.  But if it happened I woudn't be pressed or anything.

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Re: Should Dr. Alistair Grout make a return?
« Reply #33 on: June 04, 2019, 04:27:29 AM »
You are looking for interesting Malkavian but Grout is too rational for a Malkavian and on top of that very dead. They could bring Tourette's sire. It seems that he is a powerful Methuselah even crazier than Tourette herself and lives in Milwauke.

That was precisely the thing about Grout though. He was articulate, educated, well-spoken and apparently in full control of his own personality.

Which was complete bullshit of course... it takes only one step into his mansion to realize how much he was off the deep end.

The Malkavian strange behavior (madness) comes from the voices in her head. Grout was isolated from the vampiric society till recently and the voices were weak in his head but after LaCroix appearance the things have changed. The scenes in his house are result of his scientific studies and not from his blood. If you call him crazy for this than almost every Tzimisce is even crazier. Also usually vampires takes humans for cattle or animals and this quite well explains his attitude to his test subjects. You can call him cold-hearted or evil by human standards but that does not have anything to do with his Malkavian blood. On the other hand Tourette's madness and her sire's are completely different thing.

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Re: Should Dr. Alistair Grout make a return?
« Reply #34 on: June 04, 2019, 05:38:36 AM »
You are looking for interesting Malkavian but Grout is too rational for a Malkavian and on top of that very dead. They could bring Tourette's sire. It seems that he is a powerful Methuselah even crazier than Tourette herself and lives in Milwauke.

That was precisely the thing about Grout though. He was articulate, educated, well-spoken and apparently in full control of his own personality.

Which was complete bullshit of course... it takes only one step into his mansion to realize how much he was off the deep end.

The Malkavian strange behavior (madness) comes from the voices in her head. Grout was isolated from the vampiric society till recently and the voices were weak in his head but after LaCroix appearance the things have changed. The scenes in his house are result of his scientific studies and not from his blood. If you call him crazy for this than almost every Tzimisce is even crazier. Also usually vampires takes humans for cattle or animals and this quite well explains his attitude to his test subjects. You can call him cold-hearted or evil by human standards but that does not have anything to do with his Malkavian blood. On the other hand Tourette's madness and her sire's are completely different thing.

Your comment about the Tzimisce is in line with my contention that every clan has some level of mental illness and/or sociopathic behavior, in my opinion. Every clan is willing to go to sociopathic lengths (and other "issues" at times) in different ways. The blood of their ancestors forces/influences their behavior in ways they often have terrible urges resisting above and beyond the self-destruction that even humans deal with in real life regularly.

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Re: Should Dr. Alistair Grout make a return?
« Reply #35 on: June 04, 2019, 01:15:39 PM »
It's kind of strange, that in the returning character thread every character, that could possible die, no matter how unlikely (what kind of monster would kill poor Mercurio) gets talked down, but now we have a three pages long thread about a character, who is most certainly dead (I know the theories about Grout faking his death, but I don't find them very believable).
I would like to see most Bloodlines characters back, with the exception of VV and Patty, but I don't think, they will retcon Grouts death. But maybe the voice actor could return? I loved that voice 'I am no longer save...'
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Re: Should Dr. Alistair Grout make a return?
« Reply #36 on: June 04, 2019, 02:04:45 PM »
It's kind of strange, that in the returning character thread every character, that could possible die, no matter how unlikely (what kind of monster would kill poor Mercurio) gets talked down, but now we have a three pages long thread about a character, who is most certainly dead (I know the theories about Grout faking his death, but I don't find them very believable).
First its a big different if we as the playercharacter are killing a certain NPC or if the game kills him/her. ;)

Not every character i had talked down. Pisha or Romero its also possible to kill them but i would ignore this fact. ;)
Also every psychopath kill like Tseng.

But Mercurio or  Venus isn´t a psychopath kill per se. You have to kill them through the story if you choose to follow a specific path.
If you piss of Mercurio he attacks the player on his own and then you are forced to kill him.
So yeah it would prefer if they would respect this decision.

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Re: Should Dr. Alistair Grout make a return?
« Reply #37 on: June 04, 2019, 02:48:29 PM »
First its a big different if we as the playercharacter are killing a certain NPC or if the game kills him/her. ;)

Exactly. In my opinion Grout is absolutely dead because he would never leave his wife behind! This is different to possible player decisions, because as with the Bloodlines ending, they need to choose a canon way to continue in the same world.

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Re: Should Dr. Alistair Grout make a return?
« Reply #38 on: June 04, 2019, 04:07:12 PM »
Exactly. In my opinion Grout is absolutely dead because he would never leave his wife behind!
But what if he was able to save her? ;)

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This is different to possible player decisions, because as with the Bloodlines ending, they need to choose a canon way to continue in the same world.
I don´t think that they need one specific ending.
Sabbat and Kuei-Jin will never be the canon ending. The Sabbat one wasn´t even in the original game.

The Bloodlines 1 End would be summarized that Andrei, Ming Xiao and LaCroix are dead and that the Anarchs ultimately won.
The only interessing part is what happened to Strauss. Is he the new Prince or not?
So they have to choose between the Camarilla or the Anarch Ending.

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Re: Should Dr. Alistair Grout make a return?
« Reply #39 on: June 04, 2019, 06:22:41 PM »
First its a big different if we as the playercharacter are killing a certain NPC or if the game kills him/her. ;)

Not every character i had talked down. Pisha or Romero its also possible to kill them but i would ignore this fact. ;)
Also every psychopath kill like Tseng.

But Mercurio or  Venus isn´t a psychopath kill per se. You have to kill them through the story if you choose to follow a specific path.
If you piss of Mercurio he attacks the player on his own and then you are forced to kill him.
So yeah it would prefer if they would respect this decision.

In all the years I have been playing Bloodlines 1, I never realized you could kill Romero or Mercurio.  Hmmm.   I guess I just never tattled on Mercurio to piss him off (I always kiss the Prince's ass up until I get the apartment from him and he likes to hear that things went smoothly).

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Re: Should Dr. Alistair Grout make a return?
« Reply #40 on: June 04, 2019, 06:34:32 PM »
Exactly. In my opinion Grout is absolutely dead because he would never leave his wife behind!
But what if he was able to save her? ;)

Yeah, like running into the burning building and getting her glass out without the player noticing. Anything else you want to add to the game? Like LaCroix didn't die because he teleported away in the second the tower exploded?

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Re: Should Dr. Alistair Grout make a return?
« Reply #41 on: June 04, 2019, 06:43:45 PM »
Exactly. In my opinion Grout is absolutely dead because he would never leave his wife behind!
But what if he was able to save her? ;)

Yeah, like running into the burning building and getting her glass out without the player noticing. Anything else you want to add to the game? Like LaCroix didn't die because he teleported away in the second the tower exploded?

ROFLMAO that gave me a good belly laugh. 

Paul the Ghoul is still alive too, he faked his own death to avoid having to go to the store to buy cough medicine for Hannah. 

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Re: Should Dr. Alistair Grout make a return?
« Reply #42 on: June 04, 2019, 07:48:49 PM »
It's kind of strange, that in the returning character thread every character, that could possible die, no matter how unlikely (what kind of monster would kill poor Mercurio) gets talked down, but now we have a three pages long thread about a character, who is most certainly dead (I know the theories about Grout faking his death, but I don't find them very believable).
First its a big different if we as the playercharacter are killing a certain NPC or if the game kills him/her. ;)

Not every character i had talked down. Pisha or Romero its also possible to kill them but i would ignore this fact. ;)
Also every psychopath kill like Tseng.

But Mercurio or  Venus isn´t a psychopath kill per se. You have to kill them through the story if you choose to follow a specific path.
If you piss of Mercurio he attacks the player on his own and then you are forced to kill him.
So yeah it would prefer if they would respect this decision.

I agree with wesp here. I think, the game killing a character is much more final, than the player has a choice to kill a character. Look at DA - no matter if I kill MOrrigan in Witchhunt, she is forced on me again in DAI. Or Leliana, she is always alive, even though you can kill her in DAO.
Same here - the devs can simply make some choices canon like letting Mercurio live, because frankly, I don't see the difference, if it is ROmero or Mercurio, whose possible death one might ignore.

And I know, you can kill Venus for Boris, but I haven't really figured out, how to kill Mercurio. Probably if you rat him out to Lacroix? I never do that, because the simple fact is, I like Mercurio more than Lacroix and Rosa, the seer, tells me, I can trust Mercurio.
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Re: Should Dr. Alistair Grout make a return?
« Reply #43 on: June 04, 2019, 09:02:12 PM »
Yeah, like running into the burning building and getting her glass out without the player noticing.
He could hide in a safe room and could it possible that the tank of his wife couldn´t burn?

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Anything else you want to add to the game? Like LaCroix didn't die because he teleported away in the second the tower exploded?
Well LaCroix is canonly death. ;)
But Pisha would be cool.

And I know, you can kill Venus for Boris, but I haven't really figured out, how to kill Mercurio. Probably if you rat him out to Lacroix?
I never do that, because the simple fact is, I like Mercurio more than Lacroix and Rosa, the seer, tells me, I can trust Mercurio.
Pissing off and killing Mercurio is very easy.

Mercurio: "Uhh... yeah. You're lookin' for the Astrolite? I'm... oh... I can feel a draft on my fuckin' insides! They shanked me - the bastards!
The blood ain't workin' no more - my head, it feels... cracked. Uh. I think my eye's popped."
Player: "Would you stop crying like a girl and tell me what happened?"

Mercurio: "Alright, alright! Geez! You'd think you were the one layin' here with his guts hangin' out.
It was that freakin' chemist! Guy mixes up speed, his crew sells it. Occasionally, he does explosives. I set up a drop."
I show up at the beach with the money, right? Four of these guys, they come out of nowhere. Junkie pricks - hit me with a bat! Head feels like I got a friggin' horse kickin' it.
Those cocksuckers - beat me rotten, left me for a stiff. I had to crawl to my car, crawl my ass up here. The vamp blood's the only thing holdin' me together.
But shit, they got the money, they got the Astrolite..."

Player: "You idiot! The prince will want to hear about this!"
Mercurio: "You gotta... You can't tell anybody! Nobody can know I blew it, promise me! If they find out, I'm a dead man! With you types,
I screw up once and it's over! You hear me? I'm a goddamn memory!"
Player: "Tough shit. Tell me where the Astrolite is."
Mercurio: "You... you fuck! They... uhhh... they live on a cliff above the beach. You gotta go through the parking garage to get there.
I hope they cave your lousy skull in, you prick!"

Player: "I can't wait to tell the prince what a tool you are."
Mercurio: "Soon as this deal is settled for LaCroix, you and me, we're gonna straighten some things out."
Player: "No, you're going to lay there bleeding like a bitch."
Mercurio: "If I could get off this couch... uhhh!"
Player: "Goodbye, loser."

Mercurio: "You know, while you were gone I did a bit of thinkin'. See, I don't want to risk some loudmouth, smartass upstart goin' and makin' me look bad.
So in a few minutes, I'm gonna break the news to LaCroix that that kid he sent never made it out alive."
Player: "You're going to wish you died back on the beach. C'mon, ghoul."

Mercurio then attacks the player and gets killed.
« Last Edit: June 04, 2019, 09:06:06 PM by Wilhelm Streicher 19 »

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Re: Should Dr. Alistair Grout make a return?
« Reply #44 on: June 04, 2019, 09:08:30 PM »
He could hide in a safe room and could it possible that the tank of his wife couldn´t burn?

He would never do this! Because this would mean leaving his wife alone while Ming, Bach and the player are free in his mansion killing and burning stuff...