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Re: Returning Bloodlines 1 Characters Speculation
« Reply #585 on: July 02, 2019, 03:12:00 AM »
Agreed, the SoL are annoying, compassionless zealots. 

I wouldn't be as strict. Bach is shown to be that way, but if you listen in to some of the conversations at the Leopold Society, you will hear that he is seen as a fanatic by several of the normal hunters too. So there might still be some more liberal hunters in the SoL as well...

But then the moment they see you they attack.  That always cancels those conversations out, for me.

Yeah, and in VtM Redemption, the Tzimisce say much the same of their own kind. OH! And in ME: Andromeda, the butthole aliens say that of the villain of their own kind. Just because they think one person is going too far doesn't mean they're not freaking terrible when adhering to their normal ideology. My guess is that the SoL just does't like the sheer obsession Bach has with LaCroix. He has let things become personal for him. Other Hunters would've left LaCroix on their to-do list after he was bothersome for a while. Plenty of other bloodsuckers to kill and wasting too much time on one cuts into the time to kill all the others.

And yes, DarkZephyr, I would want to play a Shih or a Western Imbued Hunter who is an Innocent or a Redeemer. Innocents are all about dialog with the supernatural and only killing them if there's no way to make them stop being buttholes. A Redeemer is a bit less of a "softie":

"Redeemers are a creed of Hunters that follow the virtue of Mercy. Like Innocents, they do not believe all monsters are evil, but they do believe they are unnatural and that the worthy among them should be saved from their condition. In many cases, especially for the undead, this means a "clean" death, in which the soul is supposedly cleansed. For others, like werewolves and warlocks, Redeemers face harder decisions. They are commonly granted Edges which help monsters to see the error of their ways. It is a mistake, however, to think that Redeemers see good in every supernatural creature; they seek only to save those they find worthy, and destroy the rest." (from the wiki)

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Re: Returning Bloodlines 1 Characters Speculation
« Reply #586 on: August 04, 2019, 07:53:02 PM »
I wouldn't be as strict. Bach is shown to be that way, but if you listen in to some of the conversations at the Leopold Society, you will hear that he is seen as a fanatic by several of the normal hunters too. So there might still be some more liberal hunters in the SoL as well...

I don't think anyone in kindred society would think of a "liberal hunter" as anything other than a massive oxymoron.

It would be nice though, to think even vampires could align themselves with vampire hunters if it SOMEHOW suited their interests... take notes Brian.

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Re: Returning Bloodlines 1 Characters Speculation
« Reply #587 on: February 09, 2020, 09:20:32 PM »

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Re: Returning Bloodlines 1 Characters Speculation
« Reply #588 on: March 03, 2020, 07:01:53 AM »
I wouldn't be as strict. Bach is shown to be that way, but if you listen in to some of the conversations at the Leopold Society, you will hear that he is seen as a fanatic by several of the normal hunters too. So there might still be some more liberal hunters in the SoL as well...

I don't think anyone in kindred society would think of a "liberal hunter" as anything other than a massive oxymoron.

It would be nice though, to think even vampires could align themselves with vampire hunters if it SOMEHOW suited their interests... take notes Brian.
It makes perfect sense that there would be liberal hunters.

The Society of Leopold is the vampire hunters of the Catholic Church so it would make sense for most of them to be Catholic, and probably with a conservative majority, but that don't preclude progressive Catholics from joining or that the Catholic Church has a monopoly on vampire hunters.

Anyone can essentially turn into a hunter under the right circumstances and that includes progressive people.
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The less old characters that are included the better. In my opinion its better to go forward with a new game, new story, new characters and new setting rather than try to rehash the old.You may point out that the original author of Bloodlines is on the team, but I then point out that George Lucas did both the set of Episode IV-VI to Star Wars, and then made Episodes I-III to Star Wars. Same guy but the quality of the work differed. And lets not forget its about 16 years since Bloodlines 1 was released. People change and the world is a difference place than it was 16 years ago, which means these characters might not have aged well or that they would get mangled to fit into our present time.
And yes I know some characters are in the new game from the OG Bloodlines and I hope they will carry over well. But they should be kept to a fan service minimum and not hold any central position in the story or setting.
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Re: Returning Bloodlines 1 Characters Speculation
« Reply #589 on: March 04, 2020, 03:27:08 AM »
I wouldn't be as strict. Bach is shown to be that way, but if you listen in to some of the conversations at the Leopold Society, you will hear that he is seen as a fanatic by several of the normal hunters too. So there might still be some more liberal hunters in the SoL as well...

I don't think anyone in kindred society would think of a "liberal hunter" as anything other than a massive oxymoron.

It would be nice though, to think even vampires could align themselves with vampire hunters if it SOMEHOW suited their interests... take notes Brian.
That happened in Vamperilla (where I think Rodger Daltry played the evil head vampire :) ).  https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118063/

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Re: Returning Bloodlines 1 Characters Speculation
« Reply #590 on: March 04, 2020, 08:07:26 AM »
""It would be nice though, to think even vampires could align themselves with vampire hunters if it SOMEHOW suited their interests... take notes Brian.""

"That happened in Vamperilla (where I think Rodger Daltry played the evil head vampire :) ).  https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118063/"

And it's what the player did with Yukie in Bloodlines itself, so I'm sure Brian is aware of this :)!
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Re: Returning Bloodlines 1 Characters Speculation
« Reply #591 on: March 24, 2020, 10:37:42 PM »
The less old characters that are included the better. In my opinion its better to go forward with a new game, new story, new characters and new setting rather than try to rehash the old.You may point out that the original author of Bloodlines is on the team, but I then point out that George Lucas did both the set of Episode IV-VI to Star Wars, and then made Episodes I-III to Star Wars. Same guy but the quality of the work differed. And lets not forget its about 16 years since Bloodlines 1 was released. People change and the world is a difference place than it was 16 years ago, which means these characters might not have aged well or that they would get mangled to fit into our present time.
And yes I know some characters are in the new game from the OG Bloodlines and I hope they will carry over well. But they should be kept to a fan service minimum and not hold any central position in the story or setting.
I know that this post is almost a month old but i don´t see the problem with returning characters for Bloodlines 2. First they are only a few that will return and second its a sequel in a different city. I don´t know if you aware of this but many characters could die during Bloodlines 1 campaign. So we don´t see Prince Sebastian LaCroix or Ming Xiao for example in Bloodlines 2.

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Re: Returning Bloodlines 1 Characters Speculation
« Reply #592 on: March 25, 2020, 12:29:05 PM »
I know that this post is almost a month old but i don´t see the problem with returning characters for Bloodlines 2.
Has anybody followed the PnP campaign hosted by Paradox? I heard there was a concrete hint of a returning Bloodlines 1 character in it!
https://rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/vampire-the-masquerade-%E2%80%93-bloodlines-2-from-hardsuit-labs-and-brian-mitsoda.126124/page-342
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Re: Returning Bloodlines 1 Characters Speculation
« Reply #593 on: March 25, 2020, 12:52:27 PM »
Has anybody followed the PnP campaign hosted by Paradox? I heard there was a concrete hint of a returning Bloodlines 1 character in it!
https://rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/vampire-the-masquerade-%E2%80%93-bloodlines-2-from-hardsuit-labs-and-brian-mitsoda.126124/page-342
Ah yes this character well i still believe that this character was the one at 0:13 in the Extended Gameplay Trailer.


Too be honest i have hoped that they teased another character.

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Re: Returning Bloodlines 1 Characters Speculation
« Reply #594 on: April 23, 2020, 04:33:40 PM »
Some juicy stuff from Brian Mitsoda.
"I just sort of brought back a BL1 character that no one was asking for and yet oddly it fits... you'll see."https://twitter.com/bmitsoda/status/1253066262424334336
Who is it? Also remember the part "that no one was asking for" So this isn´t Nines, Jeanette, Therese, Chunk, Damsel or Strauss for example. My guess it's someone who is really a minor character. Lets hope that Brian don´t mean with this tweet the TV Anchor because this isn´t a secret.
My current guess is Spicoli.

Yeah, Spicoli the annoying Red Spot customer.
Nobody cares about him and his voice actor is also Brian Mitsoda himself. Perfect choice for nobody has asked or cared about.
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Re: Returning Bloodlines 1 Characters Speculation
« Reply #595 on: April 23, 2020, 05:36:28 PM »
I didn't even know Spicoli had a name. Oh lawrd.


The part that makes me wonder is how the character "fits". Does that mean that he fits in the overall city of Seattle or just in a specific time and place ?

*rubs chin*

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Re: Returning Bloodlines 1 Characters Speculation
« Reply #596 on: April 23, 2020, 06:37:56 PM »
I didn't even know Spicoli had a name. Oh lawrd.


The part that makes me wonder is how the character "fits". Does that mean that he fits in the overall city of Seattle or just in a specific time and place ?

*rubs chin*
Who knows? I think its more an unexpected one which for 2020 standards is pretty dated. The trust is it could be anyone who isn´t dead (No Tin Can Bill) or very memorable in Bloodlines 1. It could be Slater nobody has asked for and yet oddly it fits because after the B1 events he could move with his band to Seattle.
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Re: Returning Bloodlines 1 Characters Speculation
« Reply #597 on: April 23, 2020, 07:25:03 PM »
How did you know he moved to Seattle ? My bets are now on him. He's memorable enough for people to remember him but not enough to demand his return. I'd take him a million years over Nines.

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Re: Returning Bloodlines 1 Characters Speculation
« Reply #598 on: April 23, 2020, 07:33:26 PM »
Hey, we're talking Seattle; the whole city is populated with Spicolis and not much else.  :)

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Re: Returning Bloodlines 1 Characters Speculation
« Reply #599 on: April 23, 2020, 07:42:01 PM »
How did you know he moved to Seattle ?
I don´t know a thing it was just pure speculation which could made sense.
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He's memorable enough for people to remember him but not enough to demand his return.
Good point in that the character has to be memorable to remember because someone like the unseen Marian Murietta is pretty forgetable.

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I'd take him a million years over Nines.
Funny that you mention Nines.  :cometome:
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