Pick your team baby, it's the Faction Topic !

[Highwayman667]

So we got four factions so far:

- The Pioneers
- The Camarilla
- The Baron
- The Newcomers

I had a read of all the factions and I have to say my feelings on the groups have changed rather well. I used to believe they were perhaps a bit too many for my tastes and that the presence of so many sort of took away from the great conflict between the "Security VS Freedom" theme, what with the Camarilla VS the Anarchs in the very first Bloodlines.

Now however, after reading about each faction on the website... I gotta say I'm intrigued. It seems like the factions one may or may not join sort of fit into very different and much more complicated system of values: the pioneers want the good old days to come back, the camarilla is mysteriously trying to influence and control as much as it can in Seattle, the Baron seems to be a mysterious but reliable force for all kindred whereas the newcomers seem to be curiously full of tremere kindred. I don't know if I'm joining any of those cliques myself, but I am very fascinated by each group.

I also want to speculate on the final faction, which I believe will be "Full Anarchs", like the ones from the first Bloodlines. I would consider it not a group interested in baronies, territory or any kind of government but rather on the complete and utter political freedom of all kindred. NOT a group I'd join but one I'd deffinitely like to play against !

So what are your thoughts ? What do you make of all these new little vamp clubs ?

[Candy Narwhal]

Right now, I think I'll be joining the Newcomers or the Pioneers.

I appreciate that they're going in unexpected directions with these factions, but I also feel like a lot of it has just been, them renaming existing ones, for the sake of being different...

Elif says "I've got to get back to the chantry" - never mind that the subtitles read "center" - so the Newcomers are clearly supposed to represent the Tremere. I suppose as of V5 the pyramid doesn't exist anymore, though, and the Tremere are a new presence in Seattle, so it makes sense.

It works the same way with the Baron faction representing the Anarchs as a concept, now that I think about it. They aren't exactly organized, and so working for the baron will be a lot less contrived, than having an unlikely community of like-minded Anarchs to join.

I'm still hoping the Sabbat are the final faction - but then, what would their signature clan be?

Because, I have a feeling your choice of faction will kind of guide you towards your choice of clan, right - but then, they've said you can pit them against each other too, so hopefully you won't be locked in too much, depending on your actions.

Pioneers - Toreador
Camarilla - Ventrue
Baron - Brujah
Newcomers - Tremere
??? - Malkavian

[Highwayman667]

Elif says "I've got to get back to the chantry" - never mind that the subtitles read "center" - so the Newcomers are clearly supposed to represent the Tremere. I suppose as of V5 the pyramid doesn't exist anymore, though, and the Tremere are a new presence in Seattle, so it makes sense.

It could be but I believe the concepts of each faction are probably larger than the clans. You will deffinitely have the option of joining The Baron as a Toreador, the Pioneers as a Ventrue or the Newcomers as a Brujah. Now maybe there's a "predominant clan" for each faction but I think it might go deeper than what we think.

Nice about the sabbat as well. I'd would put my bets that is the latest clan. Tons of people would like to join the sabbat for sure.

[fylimar]

Well, I like the Pioneers so far. The Baron, as the Anarchs fraction could be nice too.

[Wesp5]

The last faction could also be the Nosferatu. And I suspect that clan and faction could be connected to get the thinblood to become a vampire depending on which faction you join!

[Wilhelm-Streicher]

The last faction could also be the Nosferatu. And I suspect that clan and faction could be connected to get the thinblood to become a vampire depending on which faction you join!

We already know that the Nosferatu are a faction in the game but would it makes sense and to joining the Nosferatu and don´t get the option to become one?
Atleast for the main game this won´t feel right.

Lets hope we don´t have wait to much longer for the last faction.

My guess is also something malkavian or brujah it depends on how you view the Baron faction. Are they more Brujah or more Malkavian?
They seem more Brujah to me but they also have our malkavian killer from the gamecover as hired killer and Baron is a phantom.

[NateHevens]

Okay so I have a question...

Has VTMB2 completely changed the way becoming part of a clan/bloodline works? I was under the impression that which clan you are depends on who sired you. Actually, it's why thinbloods always confused me. If Lily was sired by, for example, a Toreador, wouldn't that make her a Toreador, and thus E a Toreador?

In 2, we're playing as a thinblood who has to choose a faction... and a clan? Shouldn't we have some idea of which clan we were sired into, or won't others in the game be able to tell us? In VTMB1, everyone seemed to know by just some clues (Malkavian by the way we talked, Toreador by our looks, Ventrue by our demeanor, etc).

Or does VTMB2 have it more accurate? I have, but haven't read, V5 yet. Was it that that changed/fleshed this all out?

As for factions... I consistently go Anarch in VTMB1, and I always play "good": I keep my humanity high, I tend to let Heather go after saving her, etc. What tempers that is that I'm happy to kill "bad guys"... I've straight up just murdered thugs, for example. And I don't consider Hunters to be "good guys" in the game... especially not Bach and his Hunters.

I don't know if VTMB2 will offer the same playable experience. Based on what I've seen so far, possibly not. So honestly I'm not sure so far. I'm waiting to see what the final faction is. I think I'm going to wait to actually play it before I decide how I like playing.

[Wesp5]

We already know that the Nosferatu are a faction in the game but would it makes sense and to joining the Nosferatu and don´t get the option to become one?
Atleast for the main game this won´t feel right.

Agreed. If the Nosferatu are the free DLC, their faction might appear then.

They seem more Brujah to me but they also have our malkavian killer from the gamecover as hired killer and Baron is a phantom.

How do you know that this killer is Malkavian and connected to the Baron?

[Wesp5]

I was under the impression that which clan you are depends on who sired you. Actually, it's why thinbloods always confused me.

As far as I know, if the Sire's generation it too low, if they embrace another vampire, the blood will be so diluted that no clan characteristics are inherited and therefore the childer is called a thin blood. To raise to full blood and clan status a thin blood needs to do something else, like diablerize a vampire of higher generation. Which e.g. is common as a reward during a Blood Hunt!

[Wilhelm-Streicher]

How do you know that this killer is Malkavian and connected to the Baron?

We know that the killer is malkavian because he is the guy shown in the malkavian clan trailer. Especially the last scene where he give his hands to the audience makes it clear.

And we know that he kill for the Baron well he is on the offical faction poster.

[NateHevens]

I was under the impression that which clan you are depends on who sired you. Actually, it's why thinbloods always confused me.

As far as I know, if the Sire's generation it too low, if they embrace another vampire, the blood will be so diluted that no clan characteristics are inherited and therefore the childer is called a thin blood. To raise to full blood and clan status a thin blood needs to do something else, like diablerize a vampire of higher generation. Which e.g. is common as a reward during a Blood Hunt!

Ooh... are we gonna get to diablerize a vampire? That could be fun!

[Highwayman667]

The last faction could also be the Nosferatu. And I suspect that clan and faction could be connected to get the thinblood to become a vampire depending on which faction you join!

A clan AND a faction ? I... guess ???

I'd rather it be sabbat now. People are just gonna forcefully mod the faction into the game if it's not official anyways xD !

[DarkProphet]

I realize that Sabbat are a rarity in America in V5, but a more civilized group of them in Seattle could be a fun faction. Something more akin to Willem and Ecaterina in the modern nights in Redemption than the cliche fiends of Bloodlines 1 and a lot of VtM stories.

I would like the Bloodlines 1 norms shaken up: rational Sabbat you can empathize with (though doing some twisted "necessary evils," Anarchs who do evil shit and are causing dangerous breaches of the Masquerade, Camarilla being competent, mostly trustworthy with a non-weasely Prince, etc.

[Wesp5]

We know that the killer is malkavian because he is the guy shown in the malkavian clan trailer.

I never made that connection and while it is on rather thin evidence, it's certainly possible...

And we know that he kill for the Baron well he is on the offical faction poster.

The same here, to me that isn't necessary the same character. But a butcher knife does fit better to Malkavians than Brujah, so it's reasonable that the Baron is Malkavian and the last missing faction might be the Brujah one. That is if indeed clans and factions are connected one to one! As for a Sabbat faction to be joined, I guess this would be up to DLC as well including some typical clans like the Lasombra.

[Highwayman667]

The same here, to me that isn't necessary the same character. But a butcher knife does fit better to Malkavians than Brujah

In the poster it has to be that guy. The long hair, the sleek outfit, the distinctive weapon, it HAS to be him !