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Title: Pick your team baby, it's the Faction Topic !
Post by: Highwayman667 on October 03, 2019, 02:24:35 AM
So we got four factions so far:

- The Pioneers
- The Camarilla
- The Baron
- The Newcomers

I had a read of all the factions and I have to say my feelings on the groups have changed rather well. I used to believe they were perhaps a bit too many for my tastes and that the presence of so many sort of took away from the great conflict between the "Security VS Freedom" theme, what with the Camarilla VS the Anarchs in the very first Bloodlines.

Now however, after reading about each faction on the website... I gotta say I'm intrigued. It seems like the factions one may or may not join sort of fit into very different and much more complicated system of values: the pioneers want the good old days to come back, the camarilla is mysteriously trying to influence and control as much as it can in Seattle, the Baron seems to be a mysterious but reliable force for all kindred whereas the newcomers seem to be curiously full of tremere kindred. I don't know if I'm joining any of those cliques myself, but I am very fascinated by each group.

I also want to speculate on the final faction, which I believe will be "Full Anarchs", like the ones from the first Bloodlines. I would consider it not a group interested in baronies, territory or any kind of government but rather on the complete and utter political freedom of all kindred. NOT a group I'd join but one I'd deffinitely like to play against !

So what are your thoughts ? What do you make of all these new little vamp clubs ?
Title: Re: Pick your team baby, it's the Faction Topic !
Post by: Candy Narwhal on October 03, 2019, 03:36:28 AM
Right now, I think I'll be joining the Newcomers or the Pioneers.

I appreciate that they're going in unexpected directions with these factions, but I also feel like a lot of it has just been, them renaming existing ones, for the sake of being different...

Elif says "I've got to get back to the chantry" - never mind that the subtitles read "center" - so the Newcomers are clearly supposed to represent the Tremere. I suppose as of V5 the pyramid doesn't exist anymore, though, and the Tremere are a new presence in Seattle, so it makes sense.

It works the same way with the Baron faction representing the Anarchs as a concept, now that I think about it. They aren't exactly organized, and so working for the baron will be a lot less contrived, than having an unlikely community of like-minded Anarchs to join.

I'm still hoping the Sabbat are the final faction - but then, what would their signature clan be?

Because, I have a feeling your choice of faction will kind of guide you towards your choice of clan, right - but then, they've said you can pit them against each other too, so hopefully you won't be locked in too much, depending on your actions.

Pioneers - Toreador
Camarilla - Ventrue
Baron - Brujah
Newcomers - Tremere
??? - Malkavian
Title: Re: Pick your team baby, it's the Faction Topic !
Post by: Highwayman667 on October 03, 2019, 05:37:30 AM
Elif says "I've got to get back to the chantry" - never mind that the subtitles read "center" - so the Newcomers are clearly supposed to represent the Tremere. I suppose as of V5 the pyramid doesn't exist anymore, though, and the Tremere are a new presence in Seattle, so it makes sense.

It could be but I believe the concepts of each faction are probably larger than the clans. You will deffinitely have the option of joining The Baron as a Toreador, the Pioneers as a Ventrue or the Newcomers as a Brujah. Now maybe there's a "predominant clan" for each faction but I think it might go deeper than what we think.

Nice about the sabbat as well. I'd would put my bets that is the latest clan. Tons of people would like to join the sabbat for sure.
Title: Re: Pick your team baby, it's the Faction Topic !
Post by: fylimar on October 03, 2019, 07:53:35 AM
Well, I like the Pioneers so far. The Baron, as the Anarchs fraction could be nice too.
Title: Re: Pick your team baby, it's the Faction Topic !
Post by: Wesp5 on October 03, 2019, 11:23:03 AM
The last faction could also be the Nosferatu. And I suspect that clan and faction could be connected to get the thinblood to become a vampire depending on which faction you join!
Title: Re: Pick your team baby, it's the Faction Topic !
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on October 03, 2019, 01:06:59 PM
The last faction could also be the Nosferatu. And I suspect that clan and faction could be connected to get the thinblood to become a vampire depending on which faction you join!
We already know that the Nosferatu are a faction in the game but would it makes sense and to joining the Nosferatu and don´t get the option to become one?
Atleast for the main game this won´t feel right.

Lets hope we don´t have wait to much longer for the last faction.

My guess is also something malkavian or brujah it depends on how you view the Baron faction. Are they more Brujah or more Malkavian?
They seem more Brujah to me but they also have our malkavian killer from the gamecover as hired killer and Baron is a phantom.
Title: Re: Pick your team baby, it's the Faction Topic !
Post by: NateHevens on October 03, 2019, 04:19:59 PM
Okay so I have a question...

Has VTMB2 completely changed the way becoming part of a clan/bloodline works? I was under the impression that which clan you are depends on who sired you. Actually, it's why thinbloods always confused me. If Lily was sired by, for example, a Toreador, wouldn't that make her a Toreador, and thus E a Toreador?

In 2, we're playing as a thinblood who has to choose a faction... and a clan? Shouldn't we have some idea of which clan we were sired into, or won't others in the game be able to tell us? In VTMB1, everyone seemed to know by just some clues (Malkavian by the way we talked, Toreador by our looks, Ventrue by our demeanor, etc).

Or does VTMB2 have it more accurate? I have, but haven't read, V5 yet. Was it that that changed/fleshed this all out?

As for factions... I consistently go Anarch in VTMB1, and I always play "good": I keep my humanity high, I tend to let Heather go after saving her, etc. What tempers that is that I'm happy to kill "bad guys"... I've straight up just murdered thugs, for example. And I don't consider Hunters to be "good guys" in the game... especially not Bach and his Hunters.

I don't know if VTMB2 will offer the same playable experience. Based on what I've seen so far, possibly not. So honestly I'm not sure so far. I'm waiting to see what the final faction is. I think I'm going to wait to actually play it before I decide how I like playing.
Title: Re: Pick your team baby, it's the Faction Topic !
Post by: Wesp5 on October 03, 2019, 08:00:27 PM
We already know that the Nosferatu are a faction in the game but would it makes sense and to joining the Nosferatu and don´t get the option to become one?
Atleast for the main game this won´t feel right.

Agreed. If the Nosferatu are the free DLC, their faction might appear then.

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They seem more Brujah to me but they also have our malkavian killer from the gamecover as hired killer and Baron is a phantom.

How do you know that this killer is Malkavian and connected to the Baron?
Title: Re: Pick your team baby, it's the Faction Topic !
Post by: Wesp5 on October 03, 2019, 08:08:23 PM
I was under the impression that which clan you are depends on who sired you. Actually, it's why thinbloods always confused me.

As far as I know, if the Sire's generation it too low, if they embrace another vampire, the blood will be so diluted that no clan characteristics are inherited and therefore the childer is called a thin blood. To raise to full blood and clan status a thin blood needs to do something else, like diablerize a vampire of higher generation. Which e.g. is common as a reward during a Blood Hunt!
Title: Re: Pick your team baby, it's the Faction Topic !
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on October 03, 2019, 08:49:31 PM
How do you know that this killer is Malkavian and connected to the Baron?
We know that the killer is malkavian because he is the guy shown in the malkavian clan trailer. Especially the last scene where he give his hands to the audience makes it clear.


And we know that he kill for the Baron well he is on the offical faction poster.
(https://thumbs.videogamer.com/QgwoQz1qI60eNM61tPSauoyi_I0=/1920x1080/smart/https://s.videogamer.com/meta/1c5e/9864818f-2844-45f8-b193-a3f260e39256_faction-posters-b-ud52kvp0d-8670de.jpg)

Title: Re: Pick your team baby, it's the Faction Topic !
Post by: NateHevens on October 03, 2019, 09:13:57 PM
I was under the impression that which clan you are depends on who sired you. Actually, it's why thinbloods always confused me.

As far as I know, if the Sire's generation it too low, if they embrace another vampire, the blood will be so diluted that no clan characteristics are inherited and therefore the childer is called a thin blood. To raise to full blood and clan status a thin blood needs to do something else, like diablerize a vampire of higher generation. Which e.g. is common as a reward during a Blood Hunt!

Ooh... are we gonna get to diablerize a vampire? That could be fun!
Title: Re: Pick your team baby, it's the Faction Topic !
Post by: Highwayman667 on October 03, 2019, 11:07:15 PM
The last faction could also be the Nosferatu. And I suspect that clan and faction could be connected to get the thinblood to become a vampire depending on which faction you join!

A clan AND a faction ? I... guess ???

I'd rather it be sabbat now. People are just gonna forcefully mod the faction into the game if it's not official anyways xD !
Title: Re: Pick your team baby, it's the Faction Topic !
Post by: DarkProphet on October 04, 2019, 04:57:09 AM
I realize that Sabbat are a rarity in America in V5, but a more civilized group of them in Seattle could be a fun faction. Something more akin to Willem and Ecaterina in the modern nights in Redemption than the cliche fiends of Bloodlines 1 and a lot of VtM stories.

I would like the Bloodlines 1 norms shaken up: rational Sabbat you can empathize with (though doing some twisted "necessary evils," Anarchs who do evil shit and are causing dangerous breaches of the Masquerade, Camarilla being competent, mostly trustworthy with a non-weasely Prince, etc.
Title: Re: Pick your team baby, it's the Faction Topic !
Post by: Wesp5 on October 04, 2019, 08:15:24 AM
We know that the killer is malkavian because he is the guy shown in the malkavian clan trailer.

I never made that connection and while it is on rather thin evidence, it's certainly possible...

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And we know that he kill for the Baron well he is on the offical faction poster.

The same here, to me that isn't necessary the same character. But a butcher knife does fit better to Malkavians than Brujah, so it's reasonable that the Baron is Malkavian and the last missing faction might be the Brujah one. That is if indeed clans and factions are connected one to one! As for a Sabbat faction to be joined, I guess this would be up to DLC as well including some typical clans like the Lasombra.
Title: Re: Pick your team baby, it's the Faction Topic !
Post by: Highwayman667 on October 04, 2019, 02:45:23 PM
The same here, to me that isn't necessary the same character. But a butcher knife does fit better to Malkavians than Brujah

In the poster it has to be that guy. The long hair, the sleek outfit, the distinctive weapon, it HAS to be him !
Title: Re: Pick your team baby, it's the Faction Topic !
Post by: DarkProphet on October 04, 2019, 10:58:11 PM
The same here, to me that isn't necessary the same character. But a butcher knife does fit better to Malkavians than Brujah

In the poster it has to be that guy. The long hair, the sleek outfit, the distinctive weapon, it HAS to be him !

And Outstar said it, too. She's too cute to be wrong very often.
Title: Re: Pick your team baby, it's the Faction Topic !
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on October 09, 2019, 05:27:19 PM
The last faction could also be the Nosferatu. And I suspect that clan and faction could be connected to get the thinblood to become a vampire depending on which faction you join!
Well your guess was right. The last faction is indeed the Nosferatu more precisely the Unseen.

The Unseen are basically a Nosferatu faction. So we can join the Nosferatu faction but for the main game we can´t play as Nosferatu.
I am pretty sure that first (Clan) DLC will allow us to play as Nosferatu.
Title: Re: Pick your team baby, it's the Faction Topic !
Post by: DarkProphet on October 09, 2019, 07:25:46 PM
The last faction could also be the Nosferatu. And I suspect that clan and faction could be connected to get the thinblood to become a vampire depending on which faction you join!
Well your guess was right. The last faction is indeed the Nosferatu more precisely the Unseen.

The Unseen are basically a Nosferatu faction. So we can join the Nosferatu faction but for the main game we can´t play as Nosferatu.
I am pretty sure that first (Clan) DLC will allow us to play as Nosferatu.

Considering how much easier Obfuscate will be for the devs to implement than Protean, I would agree with your guess. Kind of a bummer for me about the Unseen faction. I was really hoping for a Sabbat faction. D':
Title: Re: Pick your team baby, it's the Faction Topic !
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on October 09, 2019, 07:51:38 PM
Considering how much easier Obfuscate will be for the devs to implement than Protean, I would agree with your guess.
Well to be honest the question is not if but when. ;)
The Nosferatu will be playable and we all know that after the E3 demo which feature heavly the Nosferatu.

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Kind of a bummer for me about the Unseen faction. I was really hoping for a Sabbat faction. D':
Sorry but the Sabbat were to the begin very unlikely to appear in a V5 game. So i don´t think we will see them in the near future.
But the LaSombra for example are a different story. :)

Edit: I like the Unseen faction but without the option to play as Nosferatu they are a bit pointless.
Title: Re: Pick your team baby, it's the Faction Topic !
Post by: Nanaloma on October 09, 2019, 11:31:05 PM
The last faction could also be the Nosferatu. And I suspect that clan and faction could be connected to get the thinblood to become a vampire depending on which faction you join!
Well your guess was right. The last faction is indeed the Nosferatu more precisely the Unseen.

The Unseen are basically a Nosferatu faction. So we can join the Nosferatu faction but for the main game we can´t play as Nosferatu.
I am pretty sure that first (Clan) DLC will allow us to play as Nosferatu.

Guess I'll have to wait - the Nossies are by far the most fun to play (at least in I) for me. 
Title: Re: Pick your team baby, it's the Faction Topic !
Post by: DarkProphet on October 10, 2019, 12:32:41 AM
The last faction could also be the Nosferatu. And I suspect that clan and faction could be connected to get the thinblood to become a vampire depending on which faction you join!
Well your guess was right. The last faction is indeed the Nosferatu more precisely the Unseen.

The Unseen are basically a Nosferatu faction. So we can join the Nosferatu faction but for the main game we can´t play as Nosferatu.
I am pretty sure that first (Clan) DLC will allow us to play as Nosferatu.

Guess I'll have to wait - the Nossies are by far the most fun to play (at least in I) for me.

Different strokes for different folks and all that, as Nossies were my least favorite clan to play as in Bloodlines 1.
Title: Re: Pick your team baby, it's the Faction Topic !
Post by: Highwayman667 on October 10, 2019, 03:36:11 AM
Different strokes for different folks and all that, as Nossies were my least favorite clan to play as in Bloodlines 1.

I love nossies but you reaaaaaally feel the lack of social interactions. For people who love charisma and persuasion it's the worst clan you can pick.

Also... WE GOT THE FINAL FACTION PEOPLE:

"No other faction of vampires in Seattle looks out for their own like the Nosferatu. What else can you do, if nobody else will even look at you?"

Interesting bit... does that mean every faction is linked directly to a clan ?
Title: Re: Pick your team baby, it's the Faction Topic !
Post by: fylimar on October 10, 2019, 06:33:27 AM
I love the Nossies, they had the best npcs in Bloodlines 1 and I hope they will be similar interesting in Bloodlines 2.

Still I would like to see the Sabbat as a faction. I know they are a bit preoccupied in V5 at the moment, but still. At least give me a nice Tzimisce as a NPC, they can't all be on the Middle East.
Title: Re: Pick your team baby, it's the Faction Topic !
Post by: Highwayman667 on October 11, 2019, 01:20:21 AM
I love the Nossies, they had the best npcs in Bloodlines 1 and I hope they will be similar interesting in Bloodlines 2.

Still I would like to see the Sabbat as a faction. I know they are a bit preoccupied in V5 at the moment, but still. At least give me a nice Tzimisce as a NPC, they can't all be on the Middle East.

I agree, I can hardly imagine a Bloodlines game without the sheer insanity of the Sabbat.
Title: Re: Pick your team baby, it's the Faction Topic !
Post by: argikt on October 11, 2019, 07:44:51 AM

I agree, I can hardly imagine a Bloodlines game without the sheer insanity of the Sabbat.

The fact that the sabbat won't be a joinable faction, doesn't mean that it won't be present
Title: Re: Pick your team baby, it's the Faction Topic !
Post by: fylimar on October 12, 2019, 01:16:37 PM

I agree, I can hardly imagine a Bloodlines game without the sheer insanity of the Sabbat.

The fact that the sabbat won't be a joinable faction, doesn't mean that it won't be present

Still, it would be nice, if it were join able. I missed that in Bloodlines 1 and was really glad, that the Clan Quest Mod did such a great job in implementing Andrei and the Sabbat as joinable faction
Title: Re: Pick your team baby, it's the Faction Topic !
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on October 12, 2019, 02:51:58 PM
Well many fans want to play as LaSombra so a LaSombra Clan DLC would be the perfect opportunity to include the Sabbat.
Title: Re: Pick your team baby, it's the Faction Topic !
Post by: Wesp5 on October 12, 2019, 04:49:02 PM
Well many fans want to play as LaSombra so a LaSombra Clan DLC would be the perfect opportunity to include the Sabbat.

Only in V5 the Lasombra have joined the Camarilla, which of course makes a DLC easier, but Sabbat influence harder!
Title: Re: Pick your team baby, it's the Faction Topic !
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on October 12, 2019, 06:59:36 PM
Only in V5 the Lasombra have joined the Camarilla, which of course makes a DLC easier, but Sabbat influence harder!
Of course but you can still make the typicial traitor story with Camarilla vs Sabbat LaSombra. It can work.
Also an interessing question for a playable LaSombra would be his/her disciplines. Obtenebration is of course the exclusive signature discipline
but the other is problematic because Potence and Dominate are Brujah and Venture respectively exclusive signature discipline.
What discipline could be good replacement? Maybe Fortitude which is currently only used by Ventrue?
Title: Re: Pick your team baby, it's the Faction Topic !
Post by: fylimar on October 13, 2019, 07:33:17 AM
I would rather play or encounter a Tzimisce, but I guess, that's not going to happen. Well maybe encounter, but not playing as one
Title: Re: Pick your team baby, it's the Faction Topic !
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on October 13, 2019, 01:14:14 PM
I would rather play or encounter a Tzimisce, but I guess, that's not going to happen. Well maybe encounter, but not playing as one
Sorry but i still prefer LaSombra over Tzimisce. In Bloodlines 1 we already had Andrei as Tzimisce and the Library LaSombra is an added unofficial one with scrapped
lines from Andrei so it would be cooler if we get LaSombra(s) first.
Title: Re: Pick your team baby, it's the Faction Topic !
Post by: fylimar on October 13, 2019, 03:38:45 PM
I would rather play or encounter a Tzimisce, but I guess, that's not going to happen. Well maybe encounter, but not playing as one
Sorry but i still prefer LaSombra over Tzimisce. In Bloodlines 1 we already had Andrei as Tzimisce and the Library LaSombra is an added unofficial one with scrapped
lines from Andrei so it would be cooler if we get LaSombra(s) first.

I'm pretty sure, Lasombra will come as a DLC, so let us have a cool Tzimi NPC at least
Title: Re: Pick your team baby, it's the Faction Topic !
Post by: DarkProphet on October 13, 2019, 05:28:01 PM
I would rather play or encounter a Tzimisce, but I guess, that's not going to happen. Well maybe encounter, but not playing as one
Sorry but i still prefer LaSombra over Tzimisce. In Bloodlines 1 we already had Andrei as Tzimisce and the Library LaSombra is an added unofficial one with scrapped
lines from Andrei so it would be cooler if we get LaSombra(s) first.

Yeah, still Tzimisce fan here. I'm pretty sure, Lasombra will come as a DLC, so let us have a cool Tzimi NPC at least

If only this game would do really well and we could get a member of the 15 clans (and various Bloodlines if possible). Cappadocians, Ravnos, etc. would be cool. Could you imagine the Redemption board if Serena was an NPC? XD
Title: Re: Pick your team baby, it's the Faction Topic !
Post by: Highwayman667 on October 13, 2019, 05:45:31 PM
We only saw "a Tzimisce" because he was the leader of the sabbat in BL1. There's not necessarily any reason why, if the sabbat, were to appear, we'd see Tzimisce, Lasombra or any other clan affiliated with them.
Title: Re: Pick your team baby, it's the Faction Topic !
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on October 13, 2019, 06:17:21 PM
If only this game would do really well and we could get a member of the 15 clans (and various Bloodlines if possible). Cappadocians, Ravnos, etc. would be cool. Could you imagine the Redemption board if Serena was an NPC? XD
I don´t know there you find the exact video and therefore quote (Maybe the Ventrue clan video???) from producer Christian Schlütter but atleast for Bloodlines 2 they want
to focus only on the 7 original Bloodlines 1 clans. Maybe if the LaSombra demands are high enough we will see them too but for the moment i doubt that.
Bloodlines 3 is a full different story.

Sorry but i really don´t think we get more than 3 (free!!!) Clan DLCs. Nosferatu and Gangrel are the obvious candidates and the LaSombra is a doubtful case.
I am pessimistic so i personally only expect 2 Clan DLCs.

So if you want play as Tzimisce, Cappadocians, Ravnos, etc in Bloodlines 2 well you have only option on PC. Use Mods.
Title: Re: Pick your team baby, it's the Faction Topic !
Post by: Highwayman667 on October 13, 2019, 06:41:47 PM
Sorry but i really don´t think we get more than 3 (free!!!) Clan DLCs. Nosferatu and Gangrel are the obvious candidates and the LaSombra is a doubtful case.

What about the non-free clans ? Is it specified how DLC will even work in this entry ?
Title: Re: Pick your team baby, it's the Faction Topic !
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on October 13, 2019, 06:53:59 PM
What about the non-free clans ? Is it specified how DLC will even work in this entry ?
I doubt that but i also can´t rule this out.

I can only say this because these are the facts.
We get Story Pack 1 & 2 and an Expansion which have a Werewolf theme plus atleast two free clan dlcs.
(https://items.gog.com/project_frasier/new_edition_comparison_chart.jpg)

Maybe that´s all we get for Bloodlines 2. I only expect on top many cosmetic outfit/weapon DLCs.
Title: Re: Pick your team baby, it's the Faction Topic !
Post by: Highwayman667 on October 13, 2019, 07:20:23 PM
(https://items.gog.com/project_frasier/new_edition_comparison_chart.jpg)

Excellent. Many games however, have many seasons where they offer different content. So maybe there's more we don't know ?
Title: Re: Pick your team baby, it's the Faction Topic !
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on October 13, 2019, 07:50:45 PM
Excellent. Many games however, have many seasons where they offer different content. So maybe there's more we don't know ?
Maybe theoretically but at the end it depends on Bloodlines 2 sales. Right now i say No. They haven´t put much thought beyond Season of the Wolf because
well the main game isn´t finished and much of their focus is on that.

Also its true that there are games with many season pass but mainly there are Online or Beat´em Up games.

By the way don´t  you think that two Story Packs, one big expansion and two-three free clan  plus tons of cosmetic DLCs are more than enough?
Title: Re: Pick your team baby, it's the Faction Topic !
Post by: Highwayman667 on October 13, 2019, 07:55:14 PM
By the way don´t  you think that two Story Packs, one big expansion and two-three free clan  plus tons of cosmetic DLCs are more than enough?

To me it is, without question. I just wonder about the possibilities and tentative changes that might come as time passes.

I myself have always been on the fence about typically sabbat clans being introduced as playable in Bloodlines because of the fundamental diferences between those clans and the camarilla ones. The fact that they are considered "antitribu" means the way they are played has to be radically different from what we usually see with the fav seven.
Title: Re: Pick your team baby, it's the Faction Topic !
Post by: NateHevens on October 13, 2019, 08:06:41 PM
^ That's something I actually don't understand.

Yet again (at least on initial release) we're limited to the clans we can play, and it's even less than in VTMB1. In that case, I understand that it had to do with copyright, but in this case, isn't that reason out the window? Doesn't Paradox own White Wolf no or something like that?

So why can't we have all the Clans? Why can't we have Bloodlines? Why can't I play as a Tzimisce? Or a Baali? Or a Daughter of Cacophony? Or a Giovanni? What's stopping them from going all the way, here?
Title: Re: Pick your team baby, it's the Faction Topic !
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on October 13, 2019, 08:21:38 PM
^ That's something I actually don't understand.

Yet again (at least on initial release) we're limited to the clans we can play, and it's even less than in VTMB1. In that case, I understand that it had to do with copyright, but in this case, isn't that reason out the window? Doesn't Paradox own White Wolf no or something like that?

So why can't we have all the Clans? Why can't we have Bloodlines? Why can't I play as a Tzimisce? Or a Baali? Or a Daughter of Cacophony? Or a Giovanni? What's stopping them from going all the way, here?
Paradox can do whatever they want with Bloodlines and their other World of Darkness games. They own White Wolf and therefore everything WOD related.
Reason why we don´t get play as Non-Seven / Original Bloodlines 1 clan is simple first nostalgia, second they want to start fresh with Bloodlines 2 and don´t expect
that every Bloodlines 2 player had played Bloodlines 1 over anything else WOD and third of course third time and money.

I think they really should give us atleast one new clan which wasn´t playable in Bloodlines 1 because this is a sequel and we still have the same clans and nothing new.

Edit: I forget the main important reason why won´t get more than 2-3 clans on top because they made the statement that all Clan DLCs will be free.
And do you guys really believe we get more than 3 clans for free? Come on.
Title: Re: Pick your team baby, it's the Faction Topic !
Post by: Wesp5 on October 13, 2019, 09:02:43 PM
Yet again (at least on initial release) we're limited to the clans we can play, and it's even less than in VTMB1. In that case, I understand that it had to do with copyright, but in this case, isn't that reason out the window?

This had nothing to do with copyright. Bloodlines 1 is a story about a Camarilla vampire that might have worked a bit for the Anarchs in a situation where both were forced to tolerate each other anyway! To add special clans the main story would have needed a lot of changes, and all mods doing this, like TFN, ATM and even the CQM when you play as a Sabbat, take the easy road and make very little changes. The CQM does it best with the new ending, but even there Diablerie should be game over in a Camarilla/Anarch city!

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So why can't we have all the Clans? Why can't we have Bloodlines? Why can't I play as a Tzimisce? Or a Baali? Or a Daughter of Cacophony? Or a Giovanni? What's stopping them from going all the way, here?

See above. You can use the same main story line for common Camarilla clans, everything else would need more work and time which they probably don't have...
Title: Re: Pick your team baby, it's the Faction Topic !
Post by: NateHevens on October 13, 2019, 10:36:15 PM
So maybe they should do future DLCs featuring not just different clans, but different gameplay based on those clans? Or future VTMB games with different clans and such?

IDK... I just want to play something different in terms of clan/bloodlines.

Hell I've even toyed around with my own sort of "what I'd want to see if they did a VTMB1 remaster" (no, not that shit I shared here a little while back in the appropriate forum; that was... a lot... some stuff I liked, but... a lot).
Title: Re: Pick your team baby, it's the Faction Topic !
Post by: Wesp5 on October 14, 2019, 08:50:41 AM
So maybe they should do future DLCs featuring not just different clan, but different gameplay based on those clans?

Exactly. I fondly remember the Half-Life expansions Opposing Force and Blue Shift, which instead of cutting a piece of the game out for latter as many current DLCs do, showed the same events from another perspective with new gameplay and story. Something like this would be cool in Bloodlines 2!
Title: Re: Pick your team baby, it's the Faction Topic !
Post by: DarkProphet on October 15, 2019, 12:24:11 AM
Yet again (at least on initial release) we're limited to the clans we can play, and it's even less than in VTMB1. In that case, I understand that it had to do with copyright, but in this case, isn't that reason out the window?

This had nothing to do with copyright. Bloodlines 1 is a story about a Camarilla vampire that might have worked a bit for the Anarchs in a situation where both were forced to tolerate each other anyway! To add special clans the main story would have needed a lot of changes, and all mods doing this, like TFN, ATM and even the CQM when you play as a Sabbat, take the easy road and make very little changes. The CQM does it best with the new ending, but even there Diablerie should be game over in a Camarilla/Anarch city!

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So why can't we have all the Clans? Why can't we have Bloodlines? Why can't I play as a Tzimisce? Or a Baali? Or a Daughter of Cacophony? Or a Giovanni? What's stopping them from going all the way, here?

See above. You can use the same main story line for common Camarilla clans, everything else would need more work and time which they probably don't have...

You make a fair point, Wesp. Granted, since Lasombra and The Ministry (Followers of Set) are being allowed into factions in V5, I think it wouldn't be too bold to ask that they include those two clans as playable in Bloodlines 2 DLC.
Title: Re: Pick your team baby, it's the Faction Topic !
Post by: mdqp on October 19, 2019, 09:09:49 PM
I'll have to figure out which one of the factions could backstab me, so it will truly feel like Bloodlines 1 all over again. I remember picking the Kuei-Jin in one of my first playthroughs, so I ended up double-dipping on betrayal... XD
Title: Re: Pick your team baby, it's the Faction Topic !
Post by: Highwayman667 on October 19, 2019, 10:44:05 PM
If The Pioneers are what I believe they are, then I might join then.

Then again... I cannot possibly imagine any of the factions being "good", so I might end up going independent again.
Title: Re: Pick your team baby, it's the Faction Topic !
Post by: Nanaloma on October 20, 2019, 12:50:13 AM
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Title: Re: Pick your team baby, it's the Faction Topic !
Post by: DarkProphet on October 20, 2019, 02:17:15 AM
I'll have to figure out which one of the factions could backstab me, so it will truly feel like Bloodlines 1 all over again. I remember picking the Kuei-Jin in one of my first playthroughs, so I ended up double-dipping on betrayal... XD

Lmao, this is VtM, man! Anyone and everyone is likely to backstab you.
Title: Re: Pick your team baby, it's the Faction Topic !
Post by: mdqp on October 20, 2019, 11:37:33 AM
Lmao, this is VtM, man! Anyone and everyone is likely to backstab you.

Pretty much, but being tossed in the ocean is still one of my favourite bad endings in a game. I really felt genuinely baffled at it (although I also found it pretty funny). It took me by surprise because back then I hadn't gathered all the clues you can find about the Kuei-Jin being awful, so I was "well, let's try these guys, surely they can't be as bad as my previous 'boss', right?". Turns out, I was really wrong. XD
Title: Re: Pick your team baby, it's the Faction Topic !
Post by: fylimar on October 20, 2019, 12:15:11 PM
Since the Nosferatu are now announced, I might pick them, since I like that clan a lot. If the Pioneers are Torries, which seems more than likely from the description, then they would be my least favorite faction.
I still would like to have Sabbat as a faction, maybe as a dlc
Title: Re: Pick your team baby, it's the Faction Topic !
Post by: DarkProphet on October 21, 2019, 04:46:29 AM
Since the Nosferatu are now announced, I might pick them, since I like that clan a lot. If the Pioneers are Torries, which seems more than likely from the description, then they would be my least favorite faction.
I still would like to have Sabbat as a faction, maybe as a dlc

Although it sounds like the Pioneers definitely have some prominent Toreador members, Outstar said that based on her interview questions with the devs on Friday, each faction isn't just focused on one clan.
Title: Re: Pick your team baby, it's the Faction Topic !
Post by: Wesp5 on October 21, 2019, 08:52:29 AM
Although it sounds like the Pioneers definitely have some prominent Toreador members, Outstar said that based on her interview questions with the devs on Friday, each faction isn't just focused on one clan.

Yeah, the same was confirmed in the Q&A session at PDXCon.
Title: Re: Pick your team baby, it's the Faction Topic !
Post by: Highwayman667 on October 22, 2019, 12:26:56 AM
Although it sounds like the Pioneers definitely have some prominent Toreador members, Outstar said that based on her interview questions with the devs on Friday, each faction isn't just focused on one clan.

YAAAAAAY :D
Title: Re: Pick your team baby, it's the Faction Topic !
Post by: Gurkhal on March 04, 2020, 07:57:12 AM
I was under the impression that which clan you are depends on who sired you. Actually, it's why thinbloods always confused me.

As far as I know, if the Sire's generation it too low, if they embrace another vampire, the blood will be so diluted that no clan characteristics are inherited and therefore the childer is called a thin blood. To raise to full blood and clan status a thin blood needs to do something else, like diablerize a vampire of higher generation. Which e.g. is common as a reward during a Blood Hunt!
Forgive my nitpicking but its the other way around. If the generation is to high, then it might create a thinblood. The higher the generation, the thinner the blood and the more distance to OG vampire (Cain, in the mainstream).

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Personally I'm angling towards the Baron, potentially out of ignorance, for while I don't necessarily like the oligarchy of the Camarilla, the "scream loudly and beat people up" don't seem like a very attractive kind of way to go for me. I liked much of Revisited's Camarilla so I'll go with the faction that has the most of that and the least of what I don't like with the Camarilla.
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