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Offline Wilhelm-Streicher

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Paradox should just scrapped the old console versions
« on: March 01, 2021, 09:36:26 pm »
Another Bloodlines 2 thread from Streicher, i know, i know.  :grin:

Well, in my opinion Paradox should finally scrap the old console versions (PS4, PS4 Pro and Xbox One and Xbox One X) and focus only on PC, PS5 and Xbox Series X. I mean you can sell as Publisher still old console games in 2021, but in 2022 or later it becomes less lucrative. Also who wants to play Bloodlines 2 on their old Xbox One?!? Which i would argue could be the worst port of Bloodlines 2.
Yeah another bad port like Cyberpunk, no thanks, also i don´t want that they hold back their creative ideas just to run on old machines.
« Last Edit: March 01, 2021, 11:01:52 pm by Wesp5 »

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Re: Paradox should just scrapped the old console versions
« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2021, 12:09:16 pm »

New thread, new disagreement  :rock:

The base of the new consoles is still not that great, and won't be any time soon. Sony sold ~4.5 million PS5s in 2020, and wants to sell ~15 million in 2021 (fiscal year). So by March 2022 there'd be about 20 million PS5s - but it might actually not reach that number, as they still got supply issues.


Meanwhile there's 110 million PS4s out there (well, some are probably scrapped, I guess).


You can do similar math for the Xbox.


So, yeah, it absolutely makes sense to right now and for the foreseeable future release for both console generations. Since most devs/publishers seem to be making the same calculations, the consoles will keep being supplied for now instead of being mothballed, so I also don't think that nobody will get games for them anymore on general principle.


But I do agree of course that the longer BL2 takes the less lucrative a PS4/Xbox One version will become. Still. It's probably comparatively cheap to do, so it's unlikely they'd not get any profit whatsoever out of that any time soon.

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Re: Paradox should just scrapped the old console versions
« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2021, 12:25:19 pm »
As unpopular and as unadvisable it may be from a financial perspective I think the best course would be to develop BL2 just for pc and try to make a true rpg game that does not need to simplify its mechanics for console's sake.
Better to design for pc in mind and then try to port the game at a later date if it is sucessful.
« Last Edit: March 02, 2021, 01:36:36 pm by Wesp5 »

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Re: Paradox should just scrapped the old console versions
« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2021, 04:44:20 pm »
The base of the new consoles is still not that great, and won't be any time soon. Sony sold ~4.5 million PS5s in 2020, and wants to sell ~15 million in 2021 (fiscal year). So by March 2022 there'd be about 20 million PS5s - but it might actually not reach that number, as they still got supply issues.
Keep in mind that Sony ended the whole PS4 and Pro Production with one model as an expection. So yeah with this focus on one plattform i think they can skip more than that. But who knows, we have still a pandemic.

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So, yeah, it absolutely makes sense to right now and for the foreseeable future release for both console generations. Since most devs/publishers seem to be making the same calculations, the consoles will keep being supplied for now instead of being mothballed, so I also don't think that nobody will get games for them anymore on general principle.
You can say the same thing about PS3 and Xbox 360 games or PS2 and Xbox 1 back then. Yes of course the old gen has more users but there will come the time then
transitions years will end. Most games this year will also come out for old gen but we aren´t talking about 2021 any longer but 2022 or hell even 2023.
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But I do agree of course that the longer BL2 takes the less lucrative a PS4/Xbox One version will become. Still. It's probably comparatively cheap to do, so it's unlikely they'd not get any profit whatsoever out of that any time soon.
The dev team still has to make and optimize 7 plattforms (PS4, PS4 Pro, PS5, Xbox One, Xbox One X, Xbox Series X and PC), I really doubt that this is worth it for Xbox One.
By the way, the reason why i bring this topic up is that another vaporware, Dead Island 2 (remember this game?!?), decided to be just a PC, PS5 and Xbox Series X game.
https://twitter.com/MauroNL3/status/1366438913884184588
« Last Edit: March 02, 2021, 04:52:38 pm by Wesp5 »

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Re: Paradox should just scrapped the old console versions
« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2021, 08:43:49 am »
As unpopular and as unadvisable it may be from a financial perspective I think the best course would be to develop BL2 just for pc and try to make a true rpg game that does not need to simplify its mechanics for console's sake.
Better to design for pc in mind and then try to port the game at a later date if it is sucessful.
I wish they'd do that, but how many years has it been since we got AA or AAA pc exclusives/priorities, unless it was in a genre that really struggles on consoles? Also, in this case I presume they also sold pre-orders and whatnot, so I think the launch consoles are locked in (this without even talking about the fact they should still want to re-use the work HSL did so far, and at that point it might be a waste to not target all the consoles).

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Re: Paradox should just scrapped the old console versions
« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2021, 09:18:04 am »
Also, in this case I presume they also sold pre-orders and whatnot, so I think the launch consoles are locked in
They cancel the pre-orders.

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Re: Paradox should just scrapped the old console versions
« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2021, 09:50:50 am »
Also, in this case I presume they also sold pre-orders and whatnot, so I think the launch consoles are locked in
They cancel the pre-orders.

Did they refund the old ones?

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Re: Paradox should just scrapped the old console versions
« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2021, 11:09:40 am »
Did they refund the old ones?
Well i don´t know but it's very likely that they give everyone a refund. But again who knows? You can´t really ask someone this expect on Discord.
« Last Edit: March 03, 2021, 02:17:01 pm by Wesp5 »

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Re: Paradox should just scrapped the old console versions
« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2021, 11:56:20 am »
Well i don´t know but does its very likely that they give everyone a refund.But again who knows? You can´t really ask someone expect on Discord this.
I guess so far they aren't planning to cancel the old console versions, then. I am sure we'd know if they started refunding those.

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Re: Paradox should just scrapped the old console versions
« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2021, 03:51:50 pm »
I guess so far they aren't planning to cancel the old console versions, then. I am sure we'd know if they started refunding those.
There is enough time for this because Bloodlines 2 isn´t coming out anytime soon and 2022 is long. Sounds like a 2022 topic to me. But those people who want to cancel their preorders they will get their money back.
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Re: Paradox should just scrapped the old console versions
« Reply #10 on: March 06, 2021, 08:33:33 pm »
Well, if the necessarily programming is already done anyway already, and all they'd have to do is port the new art over, why would they scrap them ?

Sounds like bad business practice to me.

 

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