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Title: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Signothorn on February 11, 2019, 10:42:41 PM
https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2019/02/11/paradox-vampire-game (https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2019/02/11/paradox-vampire-game) 

https://www.pcgamer.com/paradox-vampire-the-masquerade-ARG/ (https://www.pcgamer.com/paradox-vampire-the-masquerade-ARG/)

  :chinscratch:
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Gurkhal on February 12, 2019, 10:17:07 AM
Let's hope so. :)
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Raving_Neonate on February 12, 2019, 07:55:11 PM
I wonder how well it will go. Hopes up. :)
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Signothorn on February 12, 2019, 08:06:52 PM
Anyone else sign up for Tender? I'm EmpatheticMetalhead14.

https://app.tenderbeta.com/
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Christina_Romuald on February 12, 2019, 08:46:29 PM
Well, I'm DiligentLiquidator23
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Aurelian on February 13, 2019, 11:38:20 PM
Hopes up!  :rock:
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Leorgrium on February 14, 2019, 05:26:40 PM
using codes and solving puzzles..we get this artworks

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DyJMU6IVYAE3894.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DybaFLeWwAE-G4k.jpg)
(https://i.redd.it/qr3tigknk6g21.jpg)
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Gurkhal on February 14, 2019, 09:01:16 PM
Looks cool, but I'm not sure I would say that this goes strictly towards Vampire. I feel that, especially given the last picture, Werewolf could also work here. Had it been Vampire I would have expected at least one socialite picture.

But I could also be totally wrong.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Wesp5 on February 14, 2019, 10:33:02 PM
I read that the Tender app is mentioned in the V5 VtM rulebook, so that is a bit hint that it's actually about vampires :)!
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Leorgrium on February 15, 2019, 09:50:49 AM
I read that the Tender app is mentioned in the V5 VtM rulebook, so that is a bit hint that it's actually about vampires :)!

yes....it's mentioned in the camarilla v5 sourcebook :D

(https://i.imgur.com/uyQW4aO.png)


Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Gurkhal on February 15, 2019, 01:26:26 PM
With the information provided it does indeed look like something Vampire-related. Here's hoping it will be good and that the computer affordable to a mere mortal will be able to run it.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: argikt on February 15, 2019, 02:06:33 PM
I understand this kind of manouvers to increase the hype. But I found it childish actitude.
If you have something, show a teaser trailer, open a web, do something, no this vague shits....
But I'lm happy :smile:
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Barabbah on February 15, 2019, 03:47:43 PM
I understand this kind of manouvers to increase the hype. But I found it childish actitude.
If you have something, show a teaser trailer, open a web, do something, no this vague shits....
But I'lm happy :smile:

This is the sequence of the web scavenger hunt of the Archer animated series
(http://markpaterson.tv/projects/fx_networks_archer_scavenger_hunt_2015/Archer_Scavenger_Hunt_2015.png)
Started from a hidden code in one small sequence, the final secret was
an image in ultra high resolution of the muffin of an old gag where they where supposed to deliver 10 millions in a suitcase and instead they placed inside the aforementioned muffin
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: argikt on February 15, 2019, 04:03:38 PM
impossible to read Barabbah...
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Barabbah on February 15, 2019, 05:37:07 PM
 :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: fuuuuuu....
That was just the thumbnail of the pdf http://markpaterson.tv/projects/fx_networks_archer_scavenger_hunt_2015/Archer_Scavenger_Hunt_2015.pdf (http://markpaterson.tv/projects/fx_networks_archer_scavenger_hunt_2015/Archer_Scavenger_Hunt_2015.pdf)
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Barabbah on February 15, 2019, 10:20:29 PM
What I wanted to say however was easter eggs aren't bad. I remember portal 2 would only be released when all the easter eggs spreaded on some indie games of a particular steam bundle where found (if I remember correctly)....
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: argikt on February 18, 2019, 08:51:58 PM
More news:
https://bloody-disgusting.com/news/3547322/paradox-teasing-event-february-23rd-new-vampire-masquerade-game/
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Soilie on February 22, 2019, 08:59:23 PM
Single-player first-person action(?), in-engine cinematics, Unreal Engine 4?......
https://rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/paradox-teasing-a-vampire-the-masquerade-game.126124/page-18#post-6018285
https://rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/paradox-teasing-a-vampire-the-masquerade-game.126124/page-24#post-6022688
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Signothorn on February 22, 2019, 10:42:02 PM
At this point, this topic has gone on virally over the web for almost 2 weeks now. I admit I'm biased towards what I want to happen. That aside, I don't think White Wolf would tease the community for two weeks about speculation of a new game then leave us hanging, do you? They know we've been let down so many times in recent years, I think they would step forward and say something to the effect of "I know you're suspecting a VtM or WoD videogame is about to be announced. We're not ready to talk about that yet, but are about to reveal something special". Don't you think? PlanetVampire Staff haven't been informed about anything btw, but we could be trusted to keep quiet if they chose to message us privately ;)
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Wesp5 on February 23, 2019, 08:50:10 AM
That aside, I don't think White Wolf would tease the community for two weeks about speculation of a new game then leave us hanging, do you?

I think they will wait until the ARG plays out to build up the hype. I think the Tender app said something about running the beta test for a few weeks...
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Soilie on February 23, 2019, 09:30:29 AM
Live event on Manhattan on February 23rd; participate online (need Tender account https://tenderbeta.com/ (https://tenderbeta.com/)):
https://aliceandsmith.typeform.com/to/YwKdzC (https://aliceandsmith.typeform.com/to/YwKdzC)

https://www.twitch.tv/tenderbeta (https://www.twitch.tv/tenderbeta)
https://www.twitch.tv/tender_lobby (https://www.twitch.tv/tender_lobby)
https://www.twitch.tv/tender_sec01 (https://www.twitch.tv/tender_sec01)
https://www.twitch.tv/tender_sec02 (https://www.twitch.tv/tender_sec02)

https://multistre.am/tenderbeta/tender_quizz/tender_sec01/tender_sec02/tender_lobby/layout16/ (https://multistre.am/tenderbeta/tender_quizz/tender_sec01/tender_sec02/tender_lobby/layout16/) OR http://multitwitch.tv/tenderbeta/tender_lobby/tender_sec01/tender_sec02 (http://multitwitch.tv/tenderbeta/tender_lobby/tender_sec01/tender_sec02)

"From the Twitch stream chat:

I don't think there will be a new game announcement yet. One of the slides has mentioned that today will be about collecting data for a March 21 event".

https://rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/paradox-teasing-a-vampire-the-masquerade-game.126124/page-25#post-6024054 (https://rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/paradox-teasing-a-vampire-the-masquerade-game.126124/page-25#post-6024054)
https://rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/paradox-teasing-a-vampire-the-masquerade-game.126124/page-26#post-6024890 (https://rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/paradox-teasing-a-vampire-the-masquerade-game.126124/page-26#post-6024890)
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: IanW on February 24, 2019, 12:50:59 AM
In case anyone's wondering, at the moment I don't have any forbidden knowledge, either. I'm looking forward to this as much as anyone else.

I am trying to manage expectations as much as possible. For example, people have seen the ARG and immediately jumped to the conclusion that it's a Bloodlines sequel. It may be a new Vampire game, but odds are it's no more a sequel to Bloodlines than Bloodlines was to Redemption.

During the Twitch stream, a short video clip of a pier at night was played, and everyone immediately jumped to the conclusion that it was the Santa Monica pier. It could be from almost literally anywhere: there's no indication yet that it's Santa Monica.

I get that people are excited, but I'd rather take what we're given rather than making possibly unwarranted leaps. I don't want people thinking that Bloodlines 2 has been "confirmed" and later get disappointed when that's not the case.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Leorgrium on February 24, 2019, 12:33:48 PM
Software house bought by paradox 2 years ago

https://www.hardsuitlabs.com/new-project/ (https://www.hardsuitlabs.com/new-project/)

Is Santa Monica on background? :chinscratch:
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Soilie on February 24, 2019, 09:19:22 PM
"GDC 2019 will take place March 18th through the 22nd at the Moscone Center in San Francisco."
https://rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/paradox-teasing-a-vampire-the-masquerade-game-announcement-on-march-21st.126124/page-28#post-6025227
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Aurelian on February 24, 2019, 09:30:27 PM
Interesting, although I doubt that the game will be set in Santa Monica or LA.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Gurkhal on February 25, 2019, 06:25:32 AM
Very interesting but like mentioned above, I hope more for a new game than a remake of Bloodlines. Bloodlines is Bloodlines and I am ready to see some new stuff.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Wesp5 on February 25, 2019, 08:07:19 AM
Interesting, although I doubt that the game will be set in Santa Monica or LA.

On RPGCodex they analysed some screenshots from the ARG and it's rather obvious now that it will play in Seattle!
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Barabbah on February 25, 2019, 08:35:48 AM
Or they took some random photo, which only coincidentally are from seattle, and will be set in another city :razz:

(I'm not trying to insist on the bloodlines 2, just making a joke....)
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Aurelian on February 25, 2019, 12:41:50 PM
On RPGCodex they analysed some screenshots from the ARG and it's rather obvious now that it will play in Seattle!

Damn, I am already getting too much excited over all this.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: argikt on February 25, 2019, 12:57:05 PM
Someone knows when would be more news?
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Leorgrium on February 25, 2019, 01:46:51 PM
Someone knows when would be more news?

March 21 at Game Developers Conference in san francisco :)
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Wilhelm Streicher 19 on February 25, 2019, 02:24:53 PM
I am trying to manage expectations as much as possible. For example, people have seen the ARG and immediately jumped to the conclusion that it's a Bloodlines sequel. It may be a new Vampire game, but odds are it's no more a sequel to Bloodlines than Bloodlines was to Redemption.
This is likely the case. I personally hope that its more Kotor 1 to Kotor 2.
New story in a new town Seattle but with some returning characters from Bloodlines who haven´t got a  player determinant fate.
It should be vague what happened in Bloodlines.
For example Bertram Tung could return but not Jeanette/Therese Voerman.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Barabbah on February 25, 2019, 02:54:12 PM
Or dialogue driven....
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: argikt on February 25, 2019, 03:25:16 PM
I'm sure (because I didn't play pen&paper game for a lot of years), but rules has changed?.

I don't know what they're developing but makes sense they use the actual rules for the sinergy of the games. Like d&d do, etc...

So, I doubt this new game will have direct relation with bloodlines.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Barabbah on February 25, 2019, 05:57:57 PM
Bloodlines was made in 2004 while VtM was living the final days of the Revised Edition (the 3rd version), so now with the recent release of the 5th edition it's very probable they'll stick to it (in the absurd case a new vampire game will be made)
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: deicide on February 25, 2019, 06:11:01 PM
Wouldn't be so excited. Considering todays gamedev trends and the situation with VtM, I will be very surprised if the game would be any good. In short, V5 sucks. Modern corporative gamedev sucks even more. The most probably, that game will have a messy illogical plot, "emotional" scenes, tons of fanservice and pandering to certain crowds. I will prefer if it would never see the light, so VtM, Bloodlines and vampires as a whole reputation among younger generations won't be stained.

Should it been an indie dev, my opinion would be the opposite.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Ghanima_Atreides on February 25, 2019, 07:09:01 PM
Sadly, I have to agree with deicide. In addition to that, VtM is full of issues which nowadays are considered "sensitive" or downright offensive (racial stereotypes, slavery (ghouls), issues of consent, of privileged groups holding power over others, sadism, portrayals of what might be considered depictions of trans/body dysphoric individuals etc.) Already it's attracted criticism over the so-called "rape" of the feeding act/Embrace, some have claimed the setting appeals to alt-right individuals with power fantasies and so on.

In short, a game like Bloodlines will never see the light of day in this day and age, without catching MAJOR flak over issues of racism, sexualization, objectification of women, consent, etc. It would have to be sanitized to ensure it's as unoffensive as possible.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Aurelian on February 25, 2019, 09:46:22 PM
Wouldn't be so excited. Considering todays gamedev trends and the situation with VtM, I will be very surprised if the game would be any good. In short, V5 sucks. Modern corporative gamedev sucks even more. The most probably, that game will have a messy illogical plot, "emotional" scenes, tons of fanservice and pandering to certain crowds. I will prefer if it would never see the light, so VtM, Bloodlines and vampires as a whole reputation among younger generations won't be stained.

Should it been an indie dev, my opinion would be the opposite.

I could not agree with you more on these points, my friend.

Honestly, a studio like CD Projekt Red could easily make a beautiful Bloodlines sequel. They are a Polish based studio behind the Witcher games and are currently developing Cyberpunk 2077.

We shall see how it goes.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Barabbah on February 25, 2019, 10:11:48 PM
Exactly: they are making cyberpunk 2077, not (sadly) an untitled project which may be a white wolf licence.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Wilhelm Streicher 19 on February 25, 2019, 10:17:10 PM
Honestly, a studio like CD Projekt Red could easily make a beautiful Bloodlines sequel. They are a Polish based studio behind the Witcher games and are currently developing Cyberpunk 2077.
I don´t know if CD Projekt Red is still the best studio after hearing this news.
https://kotaku.com/facing-financial-pressures-gog-quietly-lays-off-at-lea-1832879826 (https://kotaku.com/facing-financial-pressures-gog-quietly-lays-off-at-lea-1832879826)

I really hope that they aren´t in big money trouble and that they don´t rushed out Cyperpunk
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: deicide on February 26, 2019, 02:44:37 AM
Honestly, a studio like CD Projekt Red could easily make a beautiful Bloodlines sequel. They are a Polish based studio behind the Witcher games and are currently developing Cyberpunk 2077.
CDPR is a high-profile indie studio de facto. They are their own publisher and based in Eastern Europe, so could afford some political incorrectness. Such a companies aren't common and require suitable funding. Still, even if we will use wishful thinking and assume they will be the developer, they're not without pitfalls, like pointless swearing and sex scenes, but, namely, pandering to the console audience. Witcher 2 is nearly unplayable due to this, it's not hardcore in an entertaining way, it's a fvcking chore. The some with Witcher 3, to a bit lesser extent.

There's no signs they will use a company like CDPR, though. Should it be anything US-based, no matter indie or not, we can order a funeral march already.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Wesp5 on February 26, 2019, 08:33:37 AM
Should it be anything US-based, no matter indie or not, we can order a funeral march already.

All the infos point to Hardsuit Labs, an Seattle developer, but there is hope that Brian Mitsoda is involved too, as he lives in Seattle :)!
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Barabbah on February 26, 2019, 11:27:39 AM
I don't know, as Neil Gaiman said (regarding for a possible movie adaptation of his masterpiece Sandman)
"I prefer no Sandman movie than a bad Sandman movie"

Sorry for my scepticism
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: deicide on February 26, 2019, 11:59:33 AM
All the infos point to Hardsuit Labs, an Seattle developer, but there is hope that Brian Mitsoda is involved too, as he lives in Seattle :)!
Unless he is the head and, most importantly, given a free rein over the project, seems more like a device to attract audience than anything else, not bought on it very much. Even if so, it would be beyond tricky to make a decent VtM game in this country.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: The Shadow Man on February 26, 2019, 12:38:53 PM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wli8aoCT0fs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wli8aoCT0fs)

This may be of interest.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Leorgrium on February 26, 2019, 01:54:46 PM
Great...  :rock:

https://twitter.com/outstarwalker/status/1100303105999159297
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Barabbah on February 26, 2019, 06:40:52 PM
(https://i.imgflip.com/dq2xk.jpg)
Well done Outstar
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Gurkhal on February 26, 2019, 06:51:10 PM
Good work, Outstar, and I am really getting ready for what news this means. :D
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Aurelian on February 27, 2019, 08:49:41 PM
CDPR is a high-profile indie studio de facto. They are their own publisher and based in Eastern Europe, so could afford some political incorrectness.

There is a reason I suggested them. Eastern Europe developers thus far retain the will to explore more mature and complex themes, although that will probably change in a decade to come. Vampire the Masquerade, especially its more fascinating elements such as certain clans, the acts of Embrace/Feeding and the Ghouls do require a free hands to be represented properly.

Quote
There's no signs they will use a company like CDPR, though. Should it be anything US-based, no matter indie or not, we can order a funeral march already.

We should not order a funeral march already, that is just silly and giving in to pointless fatalism before we even know anything about the possible Bloodlines 2. Maybe it will be a piece of art, maybe not.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Barabbah on February 28, 2019, 11:30:11 AM
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/whitewolf/images/c/cd/Vtmlv-splash.jpg)

https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Vampire:_The_Masquerade_-_Las_Vegas (https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Vampire:_The_Masquerade_-_Las_Vegas)

 :taunt:
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: deicide on February 28, 2019, 05:23:32 PM
It's so fvcked up it look like a parody, which is not. Witcher meets nu Disney, in the worst hipster way.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Aurelian on February 28, 2019, 09:30:13 PM
It's so fvcked up it look like a parody, which is not. Witcher meets nu Disney, in the worst hipster way.

That is a gambling slot machine game using the VtM theme. It has nothing to do with this sequel.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: deicide on March 01, 2019, 01:30:37 AM
Aren't VtM themed slot machines supposed to be more, well, VtM-ish? Damn, next to it even Castlevania one will pass.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Barabbah on March 01, 2019, 02:13:41 AM
That is a gambling slot machine game using the VtM theme. It has nothing to do with this sequel.

Just a small joke, I couldn't resist....
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Leorgrium on March 01, 2019, 10:46:06 AM
 :chinscratch: Chris Avellone gave us a clue....read comment below

https://twitter.com/ChrisAvellone/status/1101372911502319616
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: argikt on March 01, 2019, 11:46:26 AM
Looks like a afirmation for me....
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Leorgrium on March 01, 2019, 12:26:02 PM
Software house bought by paradox 2 years ago

https://www.hardsuitlabs.com/new-project/ (https://www.hardsuitlabs.com/new-project/)

Avellone worked at  Hardsuit Labs according to Linkedin:

Narrative Designer/Writer

Company Name Hardsuit Labs
Dates Employed Apr 2016 – Aug 2018
Employment Duration 2 yrs 5 mos
Location Greater Seattle Area
- Narrative Designer/Writer (contractor) working tenderly with other developers.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Aurelian on March 01, 2019, 08:44:09 PM
Aren't VtM themed slot machines supposed to be more, well, VtM-ish? Damn, next to it even Castlevania one will pass.

You will pass on the exquisite pleasure of a gambling high? What kind of a Setite and Slytherin are you, Deicide?

Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Aurelian on March 01, 2019, 08:47:24 PM
Chris Avellone

Avellone is a genius behind the beauty of a Fallout New Vegas. I pray to God that he is given full control over Bloodlines sequel.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Wesp5 on March 01, 2019, 09:21:53 PM
Avellone is a genius behind the beauty of a Fallout New Vegas. I pray to God that he is given full control over Bloodlines sequel.

I rather hope it's Brian Mitsoda, because he was the main writer of Bloodlines. But having Avellone to help can't hurt :)!
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Ghanima_Atreides on March 01, 2019, 09:34:52 PM
Fallout New Vegas is up there with Bloodlines on my favourite games list, so yeah, Avellone gets my vote too if we can't get the original writer back. :vampsmile:
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Aurelian on March 01, 2019, 10:22:49 PM
I rather hope it's Brian Mitsoda, because he was the main writer of Bloodlines. But having Avellone to help can't hurt :)!

Having them both would give me a great deal of confidence that we will be getting a true Bloodlines sequel. Let us hope for the best!
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Aurelian on March 01, 2019, 10:26:50 PM
Fallout New Vegas is up there with Bloodlines on my favourite games list, so yeah, Avellone gets my vote too if we can't get the original writer back. :vampsmile:

Avellone is a genius in creating sublime tragic stories and general "atmosphere" of the game he is working upon. New Vegas has gotten a cult status among Fallout fandom.

Heh, I wonder how would Yoko Taro, creator of Nier and Drakengard, do a Bloodlines sequel.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: deicide on March 02, 2019, 10:33:52 AM
You will pass on the exquisite pleasure of a gambling high? What kind of a Setite and Slytherin are you, Deicide?
Sometimes, artwork / video sequences are good or horrible in an amusing way. Castlevania is a bit of both. Obviously, this requires either watching someone playing or finding them online, because it's impossible to play and watch at the same time. VtM - not much, I won't guess it's VtM if not the logo.
Speaking of the "kick" they provide, as an example, in Japan these machines are very popular, because people are so done in after the work that incapable of doing anything more difficult.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Raving_Neonate on March 02, 2019, 12:28:22 PM
All this talk of a Bloodlines sequel is getting me slightly on edge for the both good and bad reasons. The names working on it certainly can bring something new and refreshing to the table, but that is also why I am hoping that it won't flop or get cancelled midway. I am still on the lookout for Werewolf the Apocalypse, personally.

However, "new Bloodlines" is an event that I can't still fathom... be it good or bad. Guess I am too much in love with the original to care about the sister.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Aurelian on March 04, 2019, 12:19:08 PM
It all comes down to how much creative freedom Mitsoda and Avellone would be given. That would either make or break the game. For example, Avellone got a lot of criticism from some because they thought he was "glorifying fascism/racism/imperialism/nationalism/slavery and misogyny" by introducing The Caesar's Legion as a faction in Fallout New Vegas. He was hardly glorifying the Legion in any shape or form, but merely pointed out why such a political entity would be born.

Of course, it is a bit odd that some people think that in a post-nuclear wasteland where people die like flies to countless diseases, monsters or other humans, political entities would be of a liberal progressive type.  Real life history suggests otherwise.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: deicide on March 04, 2019, 01:44:19 PM
Exactly what I'm concerned about the most. Stars without creative freedom are nothing more than a bait.

Hopefully, it won't be as rushed as NWN 2 OC and KotOR 2. The latter probably would've been the ultimate Star Wars project ever released, which exposed how fundamentally broken that universe is. One would have a hard time trying to find something as bleak and dismal as this game. The former is a perfect team of fvcked up heroes, however, barely touched its potential for same reasons.

Of K2, was so disappointed that there's no option to
support Kreia's plan and obliterate the Force itself.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Aurelian on March 04, 2019, 08:21:22 PM
Deicide, I am not that familiar or fond of Star Wars universe. I find the setting morbid in its obsessive reverence of black and white morality. But I do agree with your overall point, the developers need creative freedom, period. However, given the amount of social and media pressure in the West to dumb things down, I remain skeptical, to a certain degree.


Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: deicide on March 04, 2019, 09:30:17 PM
That universe wasn't designed with ambiguous darkside characters in mind to begin with, original trilogy was, to put it short, a black vs everything else kind of story, a power-hugry emperor against allies with any morality or lack thereof. It would've been ok if they ended it right then (or introduced some ambiguity), but instead they explained it by the Force properties itself, which plays a role of fate in this universe. That did not end very well, resulting, by fact, in an universe without a free will.

Exactly the reason KotOR 2 is so different from anything else Star Wars related. There are corrupt lightside Jedi, a Sith Lord (no less) who thinks that the Force sucks, and the protagonist (canonically female) deaf to its call. It clearly had a potential to become a Star Wars Planescape Torment.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Barabbah on March 04, 2019, 10:46:51 PM
Yeah, Avellone did a masterpiece on KotOR 2 and it's exploration of the grey areas between black and white.
 
Regarding the ending, well it could have been really complicate adding that ending, otherwise the stories on the movies couldn't have happened at all. But if you want a nice game with that kind of optional ending I cannot omit Arcanum  :rock:
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: deicide on March 04, 2019, 11:47:52 PM
Does everything have to fit a canon? From this point of view, any form of a choice that matters or customizable protagonist is anti-canon. It's better to consider these "what if" scenarios or alternative universes at all. I'm dead sure they would've done such an ending if not time constraints and LucasArt meddling. Which, once again, leads us to the creative freedom and free will question.

Speaking of SW dullness, there was only one Sith Lord in the whole Extended Universe (besides the one from game) who wasn't stereotypical. Aside from that, the Krath story, brother and sister who organized a mock two-person Sith society out of boredom, which escalated once they've came upon a real Sith artifact, initially had shown some promise, but quickly degenerated into a usual compulsive backstabbing fest. Damn, I was hoping to see some improper Dark Jedi at last.
If I remember correctly, Chris was kidding that he considered including it, but decided against because Krath sounds like organic filth in French.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: argikt on March 05, 2019, 10:27:04 AM
I agree with Barabbah.

I already remember my face when Revan takes his mask... was the more stunning scene that I saw in a videogame.
We must wait until 21 to know more... :taunt:
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Barabbah on March 05, 2019, 03:10:53 PM
I agree with Barabbah.

I already remember my face when Revan takes his mask... was the more stunning scene that I saw in a videogame.

You mean on Arcanum or on Avellone beinwritereat writer? Because Revan and the revelation behind the mask was in the first KotOR, not the sequel Avellone wrote....

However, fun trivia from TvTropes:
Quote
Lead designer Chris Avellone claims to have sat through every Star Wars movie, read every Expanded Universe book (!), and even endured the The Star Wars Holiday Special (!!) for the sake of fully understanding the universe he was writing.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: deicide on March 05, 2019, 06:54:00 PM
Sure, K1 is BioWare, not Obsidian.
Still, it seems that "The Last Jedi" was a bit too much for him. Even if he had survived it, he will never admit watching a troll movie. I'm surprised how many people bought that because of so-called emotional scenes and the main attraction, Kylo Ren.
It certainly takes a talent to make something like K2 from something inherently broken without remaking the rules of the said universe. Damn, even the supposed hate sink, Atris, is anything but that. In fact, I've found her uncompromisedness appealing, not into mixing goudron into honey myself. Hovewer, her criteria weren't chosen well. Would not call it a grey area either. Nothing is worse than grey, a compromise, no good, no bad, everyone is on the losing end. K2 is, rather, about areas that doesn't have a color whatsoever.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Aurelian on March 05, 2019, 11:08:17 PM
I am still on the lookout for Werewolf the Apocalypse, personally.

Same here, let us hope we get a proper WtA game.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: argikt on March 06, 2019, 07:50:33 AM
Late game I played from cyanide was Call of Cthulhu.

A real shame in my opinion. Typical not surprising history, 0 real investigation, 0 combat, totally driven and 0 replayability.

Is this company style, my expectations are 0. The good part is this game can't dissapoint me.  :rofl:
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Barabbah on March 06, 2019, 08:50:43 AM
The problem with all lovecraft-inspired movies and games: they use tons of special effects to show a kind of horror which is supposed to be seen the least possible and felt the most possible through plot and ambience
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Aurelian on March 06, 2019, 08:53:10 AM
Late game I played from cyanide was Call of Cthulhu.

A real shame in my opinion. Typical not surprising history, 0 real investigation, 0 combat, totally driven and 0 replayability.

Is this company style, my expectations are 0. The good part is this game can't dissapoint me.  :rofl:

Call of Cthulhu: Dark Corners of the Earth?

Argikt, that game is routinely referenced as the best Lovecraft game among the Lovecraft fandom.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Aurelian on March 06, 2019, 08:56:34 AM
My mistake, I mixed the two studios. It is not Call of Cthulhu: Dark Corners of the Earth.

Iä! Iä! Cthulhu fhtagn! Ph'nglui mglw'nfah Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Barabbah on March 06, 2019, 09:32:57 AM
Then what was the best lovecraftian game (according to the fandom)?
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Wesp5 on March 06, 2019, 09:42:16 AM
Late game I played from Cyanide was Call of Cthulhu.

A real shame in my opinion. Typical not surprising history, 0 real investigation, 0 combat, totally driven and 0 replayability.

I agree, Call of Cthulhu was just a glorified walking simulator. If the same people make the werewolf game, ughhh.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Aurelian on March 06, 2019, 09:54:27 AM
Then what was the best lovecraftian game (according to the fandom)?

Call of Cthulhu: Dark Corners of the Earth.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Aurelian on March 06, 2019, 09:56:27 AM
If the same people make the werewolf game, ughhh.

Yeah, Werewolf the Apocalypse game would really suck if it was developed in the same manner.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Ghanima_Atreides on March 06, 2019, 09:57:46 AM
Then what was the best lovecraftian game (according to the fandom)?

Not directly related to the mythos, but Amnesia: The Dark Descent and Amnesia: A Machine for Pigs are QUITE lovecraftian.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Aurelian on March 06, 2019, 10:09:14 AM
Not directly related to the mythos, but Amnesia: The Dark Descent and Amnesia: A Machine for Pigs are QUITE lovecraftian.

To be blunt, Lovecraftian elements have been stolen and implemented everywhere. But a pure Lovecraft game, filled with the holy spirit of Providence is Call of Cthulhu: Dark Corners of the Earth without a doubt.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: argikt on March 06, 2019, 10:20:57 AM
Call of Cthulhu: Dark Corners of the Earth was a nice game, I really liked.

I was talking about latest game of Cthulhu. as Wesp said, is a walking simulator.
I'm afraid werewolf will be more of the same shit. Also I'm a little worried that this game don't looks like a priory for the studio, because was annuncied 2 years ago, and today there isn't anything that you can see from the game, only concept art. (I'm mistaken?)

But vampire next game has another studio  and Avellone behind...
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Barabbah on March 06, 2019, 11:59:17 AM
The problem with all lovecraft-inspired movies and games: they use tons of special effects to show a kind of horror which is supposed to be seen the least possible and felt the most possible through plot and ambience

a pure Lovecraft game, filled with the holy spirit of Providence is Call of Cthulhu: Dark Corners of the Earth without a doubt.

Maybe I'm the only one who didn't liked that. Too much action and jump scares against what it supposed to be: a non action survival soaked with constant and increasing tension
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Aurelian on March 06, 2019, 05:42:27 PM
I'm afraid werewolf will be more of the same shit. Also I'm a little worried that this game don't looks like a priory for the studio, because was annuncied 2 years ago, and today there isn't anything that you can see from the game, only concept art. (I'm mistaken?)

Unfortunately, I do not think you are mistaken. Except the concept art, we have seen nothing yet, which is not exactly a good sign. It is a shame, as there are hardly any high quality werewolf video games out there.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Wesp5 on March 06, 2019, 05:58:52 PM
It is a shame, as there are hardly any high quality werewolf video games out there.

I think the same company made the Styx games, which I never played but which I think were rather solid. I hope that part of the studio makes the werewolfe game and not the Chtulhu team...
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Barabbah on March 06, 2019, 06:19:07 PM
Technically a werewolf the apocalypse game already exitsts
Here (https://www.unseen64.net/2009/12/14/werewolf-the-apocalypse-saturn-now-leaked/)
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Aurelian on March 06, 2019, 07:27:05 PM
I think the same company made the Styx games, which I never played but which I think were rather solid. I hope that part of the studio makes the werewolfe game and not the Chtulhu team...

Styx games were indeed good, nothing spectacular but solid as you say. Still, even if it is team behind the Styx games, we have had zero news on the progress for two years if I am not mistaken. That is a potential game in development limbo.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: ush on March 18, 2019, 03:50:42 PM
The Styx game I tried was real B grade fare.

TBH A bloodlines sequel doesn't really excite me, given the state of the gaming industry right now, it will be mobbed by shrill hysterics demanding that it pander to their agenda until it's safe spaced to death.

Bloodlines would caused an outrage  frenzy on twitter if it was released now :chinscratch:
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Wesp5 on March 18, 2019, 04:43:29 PM
Bloodlines would caused an outrage  frenzy on twitter if it was released now :chinscratch:

I still have high hopes following the Tender ARG which had some bloody stuff inside ;). Also even in a Bloodlines a lot of content was censored by cutting before I restored it with the UP, like several blood sprays and almost all street blowjobs...
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: ush on March 18, 2019, 10:11:47 PM
Blood and gore won't be their issue..pretty much everything else in Bloodlines will be, given that it's a Patriarchal gender-normative rape simulator for white hetero alt-right naziiis.  Sing along,  we all know the lyrics by now  :clap:

Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Candy Narwhal on March 18, 2019, 11:32:58 PM
given that it's a patriarchal gender-normative rape simulator for white hetero alt-right nazis
I think you're projecting. :vampwink:

Look, as a bona-fide SJW, from Sweden no less - which is the uncontested SJW capital of the world, and where Paradox are based, for that matter :vampsmile: - let me tell you, there's nothing about Bloodlines (or Vampire, or the World of Darkness overall) that's all that controversial, honestly. Maybe it's because I'm European, though, that I feel that way. Americans tend to be a lot more squeamish about mature themes, after all...

EDIT: The magic of the source material is that it's a game about people - what's unfortunate, then, is if they miss the opportunity to cover a broad spectrum of people. I think that's what could set SJWs off, if anything.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Nanaloma on March 19, 2019, 12:58:55 AM
Here's my take (disclaimer:  from USA):  Americans are hung up on sex, Europeans on violence.  That decapitation scene that was banned in Europe didn't make a splash here. 
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: The Shadow Man on March 19, 2019, 01:08:40 AM
SJWs are nothing better than glorified trolls. As for the decapitation, speaking as a English man, it dosen't even look that bad at least not by modern standards.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: ush on March 19, 2019, 10:35:19 AM
given that it's a patriarchal gender-normative rape simulator for white hetero alt-right nazis
I think you're projecting. :vampwink:

Look, as a bona-fide SJW, from Sweden no less - which is the uncontested SJW capital of the world, and where Paradox are based, for that matter :vampsmile: - let me tell you, there's nothing about Bloodlines (or Vampire, or the World of Darkness overall) that's all that controversial, honestly. Maybe it's because I'm European, though, that I feel that way. Americans tend to be a lot more squeamish about mature themes, after all...

EDIT: The magic of the source material is that it's a game about people - what's unfortunate, then, is if they miss the opportunity to cover a broad spectrum of people. I think that's what could set SJWs off, if anything.


Hows that been working out then?  How many times now have White Wolf issued apologies or modified products  to try appease an outrage mob?  :chinscratch:

Fat Larry, VV, Heather, Damsel, the Tongs, all of them will be labelled problematic characters now.  You can totally forget about Vesuvius and the Death Mask Productions stuff.

Also, assuming people are Americans might not be the best idea.  :razz:

Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
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Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Leorgrium on March 19, 2019, 04:00:19 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D2CBB44W0AEIXmY.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D2CCNPMWwAMF4s7.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D2CBloRWwAUE1LJ.jpg)
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Aurelian on March 19, 2019, 07:43:48 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D2CBB44W0AEIXmY.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D2CCNPMWwAMF4s7.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D2CBloRWwAUE1LJ.jpg)

The second with the Pier is just pure beauty.

Perhaps we will be getting a true Bloodlines sequel.  :rock:
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Candy Narwhal on March 20, 2019, 09:52:50 AM
With every bit of art we're seeing, I can't help but think it's a Bloodlines remake - maybe set in the modern nights? Well, the modern modern nights, that is.

That is definitely the Elizabeth Dane, off to the left in that pier shot. If nothing else, whoever's drawing these knows what they're doing...

The other alternative, to my mind, is still a Bloodlines remake, but in the Requiem setting? Could be interesting too, but then, I don't believe VTR is as popular as VTM, so.

How many times now have White Wolf issued apologies or modified products  to try appease an outrage mob?  :chinscratch:
Twice, right? Once for the "We Eat Blood" - well, the writer on WEB anyway, and then the usage of Chechnya's persecution of LGBT+ people as a plot point for V5.

Between those two, I only really take issue with the latter, but only because it's kind of on-the-nose, and while I understand seeing an opportunity for worldbuilding there - and to any sane individual, it wouldn't downplay the reality of what's going on in Chechnya anyway - it felt a bit, "let's be controversial for the sake of it".

Vampire is not a try-hard setting, that's the thing. It's meant to be the opposite... :irritated:
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Ghanima_Atreides on March 20, 2019, 10:01:21 AM
With every bit of art we're seeing, I can't help but think it's a Bloodlines remake - maybe set in the modern nights? Well, the modern modern nights, that is.


I wondered that too. That's the pier alright (possibly with the Dane in the distance) and what could be a modern version of the Venture Tower...if so, I approve of the new sleek elegance.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Wesp5 on March 20, 2019, 10:07:31 AM
With every bit of art we're seeing, I can't help but think it's a Bloodlines remake - maybe set in the modern nights? Well, the modern modern nights, that is.

That is definitely the Elizabeth Dane, off to the left in that pier shot. If nothing else, whoever's drawing these knows what they're doing...

It has been confirmed multiple times that this is not the SM pier, but the Seattle pier. Also several other screenshots show landmarks in Seattle!
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: argikt on March 20, 2019, 12:10:05 PM
I have never been in USA but I saw a Seattle pier photo and I can see a restaurant called "crab pot" with the same icon that you can see in the vampire image...
(of course they changed the name of the restaurant)
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: ush on March 20, 2019, 12:11:58 PM
Twice, right? Once for the "We Eat Blood" - well, the writer on WEB anyway, and then the usage of Chechnya's persecution of LGBT+ people as a plot point for V5.


Nah wrong, there was the mea maxima culpa for the use of the "triggered" because it triggered the crybabies.

There was the removal of references to nazis and the grovelling apologies that followed.

And the small issue of paradox subsuming WW after the chechnya outrage.


I'd have zero faith in them doing anything other than completely neutering a remake in an attempt to preemptively appease the outage brigade, and then altering the game post release when the mob are outraged anyway  :smile:
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Candy Narwhal on March 20, 2019, 02:59:14 PM
I'm also hoping for something other than a remake, honestly, but for completely different reasons. It's not that I'm specifically worried they'd water anything down, it's just that I'm scared of change in general, that the game wouldn't feel the exact way I want it to. :rofl:

Thankfully, since the art does indeed seem to be depicting Seattle -thank you for pointing that out, Wesp - I may not have so much to worry about. :vampsmile:

I forgot about the neo-nazi thing! Which, from how the original bit was phrased, I'm disappointed but not surprised people took it, well, the way they did...

It's just a character achetype - and it's not described in a particularly flattering way, so you would have to be stupid, frankly, to think that it would invite sympathetic ideologues.

So that's unfortunate. As far as renaming "Short Fuse", I have to ask - why fix what wasn't broken? Suddenly calling it "Triggered" does reek of edgelord nonsense to me. Again, not what Vampire is about.


EDIT: Seriously though, if the game came out and it didn't outrage the mob - would you complain that it didn't, after the fact?

It feels a bit useless to preemptively worry like this, about creative direction, when there's likely not going to be any discussion about it after.

Unless, of course, they pull a Siege of Dragonspear on us and include something that people don't like.

My point is, after the game comes out, it won't matter what's not in it, but what they did choose to include, and what could have been there instead.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: deicide on March 21, 2019, 06:22:38 AM
VtM is an edgelord game made by edgelords for edgelords (c). It's impossible to imagine it without forbidden topics and politically incorrect NPCs here and here. It never was about edginess for its own sake, but surely will lose some charm without. What's the next step then? No politics?

About Dragonspear, there's a sloppy attempt in trans-pandering. I recall the author said that she doesn't like writing about straight white characters. Why so, unless it's all about sex and race?
Guess that due to the crisis as well as more common audiences has become mainstream, LGBT is expanding onto new areas to monetize, even so obscure and un-LGBT as transgender.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Barabbah on March 21, 2019, 10:17:05 AM
I don't know, I remember Temple Of Elemental Evil, when came out, raised a stir on the possibility of a gay marriage. But since there where also 20 etero NPC which you could marry, I believe those who made these criticism are hypocrites (whenever they are aware or not).
Same issue with the gamegaters: their problem wasn't on the exploitation of LGBTs with the use of LGBT characters on media only for cold commercial interest (and not because it was meant with respect or neutrality). No, their problem was exactly the presence of gays and trans.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Candy Narwhal on March 21, 2019, 10:53:33 AM
VtM is an edgelord game maked by edgelords for edgelords (c). It's impossible to imagine it without forbidden topics and politically incorrect NPCs here and here. It never was about edginess for its own sake, but surely will lose some charm without. What's the next step then? No politics?
I don't know. I think there's a difference between edge for the sake of it, versus using mature themes and uncomfortable topics or implications for actual storytelling or worldbuilding purposes - as is most often the case with Vampire, thankfully - but I suppose where that difference is drawn depends on the person. I see what you mean, though.

I'm not exactly militant, myself. I tick basically all of the SJW boxes, but I just like to think I'm socially aware, as I'm not the obnoxious sort that demands inclusivity or diversity where I can see it's not an easy fit. I just know Vampire has more to it than stereotypes, even though it's built on stereotypes for a foundation's sake. :vampwink:

Look, if you want to know about me personally - I'm a non-binary "snowflake" who changed their legal name to that of a character in Heavy Metal 2000. That should tell you what you need to know about what I enjoy and that it doesn't have to concur wholly with my real-life opinions.

Guess that due to the crisis as well as more common audiences has become mainstream, LGBT is expanding onto new areas to monetize, even so obscure and un-LGBT as transgender.
You're aware of what the T in LGBT stands for, and that it's always been there in the acronym, I hope...

EDIT: @Barabbah, word!
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: deicide on March 21, 2019, 12:58:50 PM
Yeah, meant while they were covered by this umbrella term before, wanted they or not, the last letter wasn't much heard about until a few last years. It was included, but still not commercialized. From my perspective, it should've been the first letter to cross as the most socially acceptable.

As for exploitation and valid presence in videogames, BioWare did fine examples of both, the difference between Zevran from Dragon Age 1 and the whole DA2 cast says pretty much it all. Myself found Zevran one of the most entertaining characters, nothing beats a female mage listening to his stories, especially the first one, about the assassination of a female mage who was meddling in politics. That's truly twisted in the best way.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Barabbah on March 21, 2019, 02:12:16 PM
(Small offtopic on english lexicon):
EDIT: @Barabbah, word!

I heard before this particular use of word, but what does exactly mean? 😅
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Leorgrium on March 21, 2019, 04:23:12 PM
I think it's a free to play mmo  :facepalm:

https://twitter.com/PdxInteractive/status/1108749599131516928

linking twith to tenderbeta, you get a T-shirt

(http://twitch.tenderbeta.com/bundles/tender/images/reward-1.png)

and bodyguard suit

(http://twitch.tenderbeta.com/bundles/tender/images/reward-2.png)
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: mdqp on March 21, 2019, 04:31:16 PM
I think it's a free to play mmo  :facepalm:

https://twitter.com/PdxInteractive/status/1108749599131516928

linking twith to tenderbeta, you get a T-shirt

and bodyguard suit


Isn't that just for their Tender stuff? I didn't sign up for that, so I don't know what it actually is.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Candy Narwhal on March 21, 2019, 04:38:49 PM
If it turns out to be an MMO, I will take the fucking metro to Medborgarplatsen and pay Paradox's offices a visit my-damned-self to have a word with them. :facepalm:

I heard before this particular use of word, but what does exactly mean? 😅

"I agree with what you said." :justabite:
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Barabbah on March 21, 2019, 09:12:53 PM
"I agree with what you said." :justabite:
Ah thanks then :3

End offtopic: an MMO? We can then expect the worse:

(https://i.imgflip.com/2wmnlb.jpg)
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Aurelian on March 21, 2019, 09:22:38 PM
Let us not jump to conclusion until we have more solid facts. I do not believe that they are so foolish to make a MMO game, they know it would flop.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Ghanima_Atreides on March 21, 2019, 09:28:45 PM
Actually MMOs are all the rage nowadays: Zenimax has tried it with Elder Scrolls Online (which is actually doing alright), Bethesda with Fallout 76 (which failed miserably and wasn't even a true MMO as such) and of course you have the wildly popular Fortnite and such which inspire others to try it.

I...wouldn't necessarily say no to a WELL DONE VtM MMO, wide expansive world, solid story, voice acting (like SWTOR, especially the base game) but I am afraid it would be a half-assed cash grab....
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Mond_Blutgut on March 21, 2019, 09:42:19 PM
(https://www.gog.com/upload/forum/2019/03/49c2630b291aefa9689fb42d9e2cba0392a5d4a2.jpg)

Except for Gwent, gog.com doesn't do or host any kind of always-online-live-service-bullshit.
Which would also include MMOs.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Aurelian on March 21, 2019, 10:10:39 PM
Actually MMOs are all the rage nowadays: Zenimax has tried it with Elder Scrolls Online (which is actually doing alright), Bethesda with Fallout 76 (which failed miserably and wasn't even a true MMO as such) and of course you have the wildly popular Fortnite and such which inspire others to try it.

I...wouldn't necessarily say no to a WELL DONE VtM MMO, wide expansive world, solid story, voice acting (like SWTOR, especially the base game) but I am afraid it would be a half-assed cash grab....

Man, I played through quite a lot of MMOs, and they are rightfully called "story killers" by both the developers and the players. You will never be able to create a immersive setting in MMO when compared to a single-player experience. There is almost a universal consensus that both ESO and F76 are from a story point of view, utter crap when compared with Morrowind/Oblivion/Skyrim and Fallout games such as New Vegas or even Fallout 4.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Ghanima_Atreides on March 21, 2019, 10:17:45 PM
Well I have played both ESO and the single-player TES games and I can say the story is not bad, although yes in general not as good as the others. It does have its moments though when it's actually better, what drags it down most of all is the MMO need to pad it with filler quests and of course the fact that the world is, for a large part, static. Fallout 76 I haven't even touched because it doesn't appeal to me at all.

Star Wars the Old Republic, however, really shines in the MMO story department: there are interesting class-specific stories and characters, companions with backstories whom you can build relationships with, player choices etc. Sadly this is diminished in later chapters when development started slowing down and many things were streamlined, but it's still pretty good.

Plus I have someone whom I'd like to play a VtM game with, if I could.

That being said, I would definitely choose a good single player game over a generic MMO.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Aurelian on March 21, 2019, 10:44:51 PM
I played Star Wars the Old Republic, it is a very rare gem. I would suggest maybe something in theme of The Secret World game could work if they are indeed  going the MMO route. I will spare you the wasted time and tell you that F76 is mostly a garbage, its "story" is basically non-existent. Like people suspected in the beginning when the game was announced, MMO with a recognizable setting is a good and steady cash cow.

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That being said, I would definitely choose a good single player game over a generic MMO.

Amen.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Leorgrium on March 22, 2019, 03:36:22 AM
Wow

Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Mond_Blutgut on March 22, 2019, 03:42:14 AM
Pre-order on gog.com:
https://www.gog.com/game/vampire_the_masquerade_bloodlines_2_blood_moon_edition
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Shadow12 on March 22, 2019, 03:55:37 AM
I just pre-ordered. Unbelievable. Every now and then you get surprised...
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Gurkhal on March 22, 2019, 04:04:36 AM
This looks awesome! I just hope my computer will be able to run it. But if not then I'll have alot of "Let's plays" to watch. :P
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Mort on March 22, 2019, 05:20:08 AM
Also available for pre-order on steam.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/532790/Vampire_The_Masquerade__Bloodlines_2
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: DarkProphet on March 22, 2019, 05:28:15 AM
Pre-order on gog.com:
https://www.gog.com/game/vampire_the_masquerade_bloodlines_2_blood_moon_edition

Bloodlines 2...omigosh-omigosh-omigosh! I am quivering with unadulterated JOY. My favorite game of all time finally gets a sequel. YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS.  :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock:
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Leorgrium on March 22, 2019, 05:40:19 AM
 :rock:

(https://steamcdn-a.akamaihd.net/steam/apps/532790/extras/Edition_Comparison_Chart_Steam.jpg?t=1553225468)
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: J3ster on March 22, 2019, 05:52:54 AM
So the main character is a mass embraced thin-blood yet becomes "Ultimate Vampire". Uhh, I'm having second thought on the integrity of the lore there. Or maybe I will have to read that V5 Corebook after all. Here's hoping that it's based on v20 instead.

I really wanted to pre-order because of that Stop sign (Malkavians playable confirmed?) but I think I'll hold out until actual gameplay comes. I'll have to buy new PC to run it anyway. And then we'll have to wait for Wesp patches as well.

P.S. Also, in-game bonuses for referrals? Ugh. I got all the blood pack on the official website though, the unique one is on the preorder page, if anyone has trouble finding it.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Signothorn on March 22, 2019, 05:54:24 AM
:rock:

(https://steamcdn-a.akamaihd.net/steam/apps/532790/extras/Edition_Comparison_Chart_Steam.jpg?t=1553225468)


Aside from the joy of seeing the trailer, my first thought is how happy Wesp will be when he sees Brian Mitsoda is involved as the writer again.  :rock:
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: YamiRaziel on March 22, 2019, 06:09:06 AM
After 15 long fucking years of waiting I can't believe this is happening!

They better enable mods for all platforms and make it so that when this community does an amazing mod, I can play it on my PS4 :D
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: DarkProphet on March 22, 2019, 06:17:30 AM
So the main character is a mass embraced thin-blood yet becomes "Ultimate Vampire". Uhh, I'm having second thought on the integrity of the lore there. Or maybe I will have to read that V5 Corebook after all. Here's hoping that it's based on v20 instead.

I was wondering about that, too. I mean, best case scenario, you get to diablerize someone with authorization from a faction to possibly gain "clanhood." I'm a bit puzzled as to how we're supposed to be even remotely powerful compared to any legit Kindred if we're thinbloods...
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Leorgrium on March 22, 2019, 06:48:10 AM
Aside from the joy of seeing the trailer, my first thought is how happy Wesp will be when he sees Brian Mitsoda is involved as the writer again.  :rock:

Avellone as well :)

https://twitter.com/ChrisAvellone/status/1108935241794650113
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: mdqp on March 22, 2019, 06:53:37 AM
Any confirmation on which version of the WoD ruleset it will be based on? Never played the actual tabletop games, but I own books and I have read a LOT of wikis over the years (since I like the videogames quite a bit) and I did find some of the new stuff less interesting for me personally. I'll probably play this anyway, of course, Bloodlines got a damn sequel, but I'd like to know a bit more details.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Nosferatu Numbers Station on March 22, 2019, 06:56:18 AM
Huh.  So this is what it must be like to have a blood buff induced boner after not feeling anything down there at this level.

Also, I reckon they are doing v20 if we are to be a thin blood in this one.  Doubt we'll get that cool thin blood alchemy though.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: argikt on March 22, 2019, 07:40:34 AM
I had read the article, and there are no hints that makes me think will be a MMO.
I'll preorder the game if is single player...

There's an official afirmation in any direction?
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: mdqp on March 22, 2019, 08:02:23 AM
I had read the article, and there are no hints that makes me think will be a MMO.
I'll preorder the game if is single player...

There's an official afirmation in any direction?

Don't worry, it's NOT an MMO. That was just paranoia taking over some of us, we are not used to release announcements around here.   :razz:
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: mdqp on March 22, 2019, 08:09:27 AM
Now the real question is: do I pre-order the Deluxe edition now on GOG, to get the 10€ of store credits, even though I am against pre-orders, or do I wait patiently and see how the game turns out first? Decisions-decisions.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: ush on March 22, 2019, 08:57:49 AM
Pre-ordering is a bad idea, we all know it. Pre-ordering a game as soon as its announced is a terrible idea :smile:
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: mdqp on March 22, 2019, 09:17:51 AM
Pre-ordering is a bad idea, we all know it. Pre-ordering a game as soon as its announced is a terrible idea :smile:

You are right. I just got a little too excited, but now I am calming down. It's a bit unfortunate that by the time the game comes out, GOG will have ended its "fair price" police, so I won't get the extra 10 euros in credits, but it is what it is.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Wesp5 on March 22, 2019, 10:10:45 AM
So the main character is a mass embraced thin-blood yet becomes "Ultimate Vampire".

"Ultimate" could have been meant regarding the gameplay mechanics. Also Bloodlines pretty much did the same thing and made you very powerful in a very short time!

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Or maybe I will have to read that V5 Corebook after all. Here's hoping that it's based on v20 instead.

I suspect it's based on V5 because the Tender App used in the ARG is mentioned in the V5 corebook.

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And then we'll have to wait for Wesp patches as well.

I really hope there is no need for that this time ;)! But I would be so happy if I could beta test it :)...
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Mond_Blutgut on March 22, 2019, 10:19:19 AM
Pre-ordering is a bad idea, we all know it. Pre-ordering a game as soon as its announced is a terrible idea :smile:

You are right. I just got a little too excited, but now I am calming down. It's a bit unfortunate that by the time the game comes out, GOG will have ended its "fair price" police, so I won't get the extra 10 euros in credits, but it is what it is.
Was on the fence at first too, but the fact that it's not an exclusive on Tim Sweeney's Fucking Exclusivity Store tipped the scales for me.
Also, DRM-free FTW.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: argikt on March 22, 2019, 10:26:22 AM
I really would like to see a gameplay. But perhaps is too early.
If they can't show a little gameplay soon, I really doubt game can be released on 1Q 2020.

Also with a gameplay we can see the engine...
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Lethe on March 22, 2019, 10:31:28 AM
My natural curiosity is tempered with caution.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Candy Narwhal on March 22, 2019, 10:44:55 AM
Well, I don't know about anyone else - but I'm fucking losing it right now. I can't hit the pre-order button fast enough...
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: mdqp on March 22, 2019, 10:51:54 AM
I really would like to see a gameplay. But perhaps is too early.
If they can't show a little gameplay soon, I really doubt game can be released on 1Q 2020.

Also with a gameplay we can see the engine...

Journalists got to try a demo of some sorts, so there already is some gameplay to show, although they probably want to polish things up before showing everything to the public.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Ghanima_Atreides on March 22, 2019, 10:59:53 AM
*stumbles home from uni to finally watch the trailer on a big screen*

Okay, the hype is real!  :haw:
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Mond_Blutgut on March 22, 2019, 11:33:49 AM
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And then we'll have to wait for Wesp patches as well.
I really hope there is no need for that this time ;)! But I would be so happy if I could beta test it :)...
So they did not already hit you up for 3D body scanning sessions or at least doing some voice-overs?
If there's anyone that deserves to be immortalized in some way or another in the Bloodlines sequel it's got to be you, right?
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Zanderat on March 22, 2019, 12:13:59 PM
Throwing caution to the wind.........  Pre-ordered from GOG (remember that it was Valve and Steam that fucked over the first one).
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: J3ster on March 22, 2019, 12:28:34 PM
"Ultimate" could have been meant regarding the gameplay mechanics. Also Bloodlines pretty much did the same thing and made you very powerful in a very short time!

I mean, it's a real shortsell if "Ultimate" means get gangbanged by any vampire that is not a thin-blood. At least in Bloodlines we're of a decent generation and there are several semi-plausible explanations for why you are so powerful aside from meta need for player progression.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Barabbah on March 22, 2019, 12:35:13 PM
I hope Avellone and Mitsoda could have saved this from be an another "graphic-only shallow-experience" game.

However, any word or reaction from the holy troika or chad moore, perillo, schaffer, or any other member of the first bloodline staff?
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: argikt on March 22, 2019, 12:47:09 PM
Fucking hype! I proordered now!
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Zanderat on March 22, 2019, 01:17:26 PM
I hope Avellone and Mitsoda could have saved this from be an another "graphic-only shallow-experience" game.

However, any word or reaction from the holy troika or chad moore, perillo, schaffer, or any other member of the first bloodline staff?
Wow.  What do you base this "could have saved" (past tense) comment on?  WTF?  How do you know this to be a "graphic-only shallow-experience"?  Have you played it yet? 
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: TheSuspiciousSetite on March 22, 2019, 02:25:40 PM
The steam forum for bloodline 2 is being invaded by Trump supporters insulting the game.

This is vampire the masquerade 5th edition all over again.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: argikt on March 22, 2019, 02:51:26 PM
The steam forum for bloodline 2 is being invaded by Trump supporters insulting the game.

This is vampire the masquerade 5th edition all over again.

Sorry... I know nothing about USA polities... which is the link between Trump and vampire haters?
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Aurelian on March 22, 2019, 02:58:16 PM
I apologize to fellow members of this forum but this captures my initial reaction upon seeing the trailer.

(https://i.imgur.com/FtCvHAx.jpg)

I think that Brian Mitsoda and Chris Avellone have been given free hands in development of the game. Some from press supposedly get to try the game and said it was just like the original except with 2019 graphics. I think we are getting a true Bloodlines sequel.

Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Aurelian on March 22, 2019, 02:59:21 PM
The steam forum for bloodline 2 is being invaded by Trump supporters insulting the game.

Why? There is literally zero reason thus far.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: ush on March 22, 2019, 03:02:19 PM

The steam forum for bloodline 2 is being invaded by Trump supporters insulting the game.

This is vampire the masquerade 5th edition all over again.

Sorry... I know nothing about USA polities... which is the link between Trump and vampire haters?
[/quote]


Anyone who objects to the new puritans that are infesting gaming is a Trump supporting alt right naziiiiiiiiii


Even if you dont give a f**k about American politics and have never voted for a right wing candidate in your life.  :rofl:


It's a fun time to be alive
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Mond_Blutgut on March 22, 2019, 03:28:36 PM
The steam forum for bloodline 2 is being invaded by Trump supporters insulting the game.

Why? There is literally zero reason thus far.

People get offended by the most insignificant things these days.
Things like one of the devs sporting an undercut or another displaying pronouns (like she/he/her/him/it/them/they/everything/whatever) in their Twatter profile.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Mond_Blutgut on March 22, 2019, 04:31:34 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D2RpjtYU8AEF32S.jpg)

https://twitter.com/outstarwalker/status/1109127882423492608
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Ghanima_Atreides on March 22, 2019, 04:38:04 PM
That's excellent news!  :rock:


I found an interesting morsel too (pun definitely intended):

(https://i.imgur.com/1dnEtSV.jpg)


I wonder how this "clan choosing" works....  :chinscratch:


Then there is this bit from the Steam description:


Immerse yourself in the World of Darkness and live out your vampire fantasy in a city filled with intriguing characters that react to your choices. You and your unique disciplines are a weapon in our forward-driving, fast-moving, melee-focussed combat system. Your power will grow as you advance, but remember to uphold the Masquerade and guard your humanity... or face the consequences.



So...there are no ranged weapons? That would kind of limit build diversity, if everyone could only use melee....
It definitely mentions disciplines though.

Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Mond_Blutgut on March 22, 2019, 04:41:32 PM
So...there are no ranged weapons? That would kind of limit build diversity, if everyone could only use melee....
It definitely mentions disciplines though.

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Weapons: As in the predecessor, there is a smorgasbord of guns and firearms, which are now wearing out: At some point, every club and every gun breaks apart. The official rationale is that as a vampire we are just too strong for mortal weapons. Let's see how much that sucks later.

https://www.gog.com/forum/general/preorder_vampire_the_masquerade_bloodlines_2_2d247/post64
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Signothorn on March 22, 2019, 04:44:41 PM
We'll do our best to keep U.S. politics as it relates to Bloodlines 2 at a minimum at PV in the Bloodlines Games General Discussion area. Everyone who has been around here for a while knows we promote everyone openly expressing themselves regardless of your background or orientation. I don't want a toxic political conversation that re-ashes old stuff and polarizes people. The narrative of the topic is about the game, not political leanings towards WW. Use the Off Topic area for political stuff. I also didn't read in the Steam forums where people specifically said they were Trump supporters either. Let's not open that bag or worms and just stay on topic about the game in a non-toxic and non-political way please. I'm accustomed to the forum basically taking care of moderating itself, but there may be some new visitors now the game is announced that may not get our community. If needed, I'll bring aboard some more moderators but we'll see how things play out.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: argikt on March 22, 2019, 04:49:30 PM
Looks like that you start the game without a clan, and soon you must chose a faction- clan to join. Is a good way to have a high replayability and a easy way to add more content later like they promised
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Signothorn on March 22, 2019, 05:39:56 PM
Day one modding support was confirmed in the stream last night. https://www.twitch.tv/videos/399100804  4:50:35 mark. 
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Ghanima_Atreides on March 22, 2019, 05:42:44 PM
So...there are no ranged weapons? That would kind of limit build diversity, if everyone could only use melee....
It definitely mentions disciplines though.

Quote
Weapons: As in the predecessor, there is a smorgasbord of guns and firearms, which are now wearing out: At some point, every club and every gun breaks apart. The official rationale is that as a vampire we are just too strong for mortal weapons. Let's see how much that sucks later.

https://www.gog.com/forum/general/preorder_vampire_the_masquerade_bloodlines_2_2d247/post64

This is good, although...this is less so:

"Ego Perspective: We play Bloodlines 2 exclusively in the first person view. The game will only switch into third-person-perspective, if we trigger in melee a special maneuver à la Roundhouse kick. Or, if we climb up somewhere. "

I am primarily a 3rd person player, and at the very least I want to be able to look at my character from the front...If this isn't available at release (but it would, IMO, be a pretty big minus for an RPG, this isn't a first person shooter where your character appearance doesn't matter) I hope at least modders can do something about it. :/
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Sian on March 22, 2019, 06:01:00 PM
I am primarily a 3rd person player, and at the very least I want to be able to look at my character from the front...If this isn't available at release (but it would, IMO, be a pretty big minus for an RPG, this isn't a first person shooter where your character appearance doesn't matter) I hope at least modders can do something about it. :/

From what I understand from reading assorted announcement previews, Bloodlines 2 borrows heavily from the combat/gameplay aspects of Dishonored 2
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Barabbah on March 22, 2019, 06:05:46 PM
I hope Avellone and Mitsoda could have saved this from be an another "graphic-only shallow-experience" game.

However, any word or reaction from the holy troika or chad moore, perillo, schaffer, or any other member of the first bloodline staff?
Wow.  What do you base this "could have saved" (past tense) comment on?  WTF?  How do you know this to be a "graphic-only shallow-experience"?  Have you played it yet?

OPS! WRONG VERB DECLINATION!!

CORRECTION: I hope they can save this game
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Ghanima_Atreides on March 22, 2019, 06:08:00 PM
I am primarily a 3rd person player, and at the very least I want to be able to look at my character from the front...If this isn't available at release (but it would, IMO, be a pretty big minus for an RPG, this isn't a first person shooter where your character appearance doesn't matter) I hope at least modders can do something about it. :/

From what I understand from reading assorted announcement previews, Bloodlines 2 borrows heavily from the combat/gameplay aspects of Dishonored 2

That may be so, I am not familiar with that game. I watched a video and it seems nice, graphics-wise but 1st person movement gives me motion sickness. I guess I'll try to get used to it, but the hype is receding somewhat now.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Barabbah on March 22, 2019, 06:09:21 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D2RpjtYU8AEF32S.jpg)

https://twitter.com/outstarwalker/status/1109127882423492608

(https://2static1.fjcdn.com/comments/I+actually+like+these+happy+memes+that+ironic+_fccbfdd3976bb68ccc12908f95d7256d.jpg)

He also has the potential to make the difference :3
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Barabbah on March 22, 2019, 06:14:35 PM
Day one modding support was confirmed in the stream last night. https://www.twitch.tv/videos/399100804  4:50:35 mark.

❤❤❤

What will be the game engine? (If it's still source I'll die laughing. Maybe it will be possible convert stuff back and forth  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:)
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Ghanima_Atreides on March 22, 2019, 06:17:40 PM
Day one modding support was confirmed in the stream last night. https://www.twitch.tv/videos/399100804  4:50:35 mark.

❤❤❤

What will be the game engine? (If it's still source I'll die laughing. Maybe it will be possible convert stuff back and forth  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:)

It's Unreal Engine 4, if that tells you anything.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Barabbah on March 22, 2019, 06:27:07 PM
Day one modding support was confirmed in the stream last night. https://www.twitch.tv/videos/399100804  4:50:35 mark.

❤❤❤

What will be the game engine? (If it's still source I'll die laughing. Maybe it will be possible convert stuff back and forth  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:)

It's Unreal Engine 4, if that tells you anything.

Not bad
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: The Shadow Man on March 22, 2019, 06:37:03 PM
The first things I notice are it not having any gameplay and seemingly not showing any familiar faces. I'm hopefully but trying not to get too excited, I've been burned before.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Signothorn on March 22, 2019, 06:48:24 PM
The first things I notice are it not having any gameplay and seemingly not showing any familiar faces. I'm hopefully but trying not to get too excited, I've been burned before.

True, but you also had to have recognized the narrator's voice in the trailer as V.V., right? That alone gets my blood pumping just a little.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: The Shadow Man on March 22, 2019, 06:49:32 PM
The first things I notice are it not having any gameplay and seemingly not showing any familiar faces. I'm hopefully but trying not to get too excited, I've been burned before.

True, but you also had to have recognized the narrator's voice in the trailer as V.V., right? That alone gets my blood pumping just a little.

I must confess I did not. I'm surprised I missed that.

Rewatched it. Hmmm, I'm not sure if it is. Perhaps an older V.V. - I feel the V.V. in Bloodlines sounded younger and more keen to hide in pretence and her sexuality.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Ghanima_Atreides on March 22, 2019, 06:56:01 PM
To be honest she sounds more like Therese to me. But I doubt it's her, since she might have died in the previous game, unless they are planning to reveal a canonical fate for the Voerman "twins".
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Signothorn on March 22, 2019, 06:58:48 PM
I don't know 100% that it's V.V., to be clear, but it sounds a ton like her, and some of my other FB friends pointed it out. I'd like it to be her.  :idhitit:
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Aurelian on March 22, 2019, 07:32:43 PM
More good news, Rik Schaffer is main composer!

https://twitter.com/outstarwalker/status/1109127882423492608
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Leorgrium on March 22, 2019, 07:56:22 PM
According to https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2019-03-22-vampire-the-masquerade-bloodlines-2-is-a-darkly-fascinating-immersive-sim

"There'll be full mod support out of the box - Paradox, ever a supporter of community, openly acknowledges the part the community played in keeping the original alive and restoring some of its grace."
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: YamiRaziel on March 22, 2019, 07:59:54 PM
I've read quite a bit of interviews about the game and it seems that they'll really try to ensure Seattle feels alive with people and they react to everything you do.

I read somewhere that histories will also affect certain areas of the game - if you're a cop, going back to the police station as vampire will be different than if you're a barista.

It seems that you'll be a thin blood in the beginning and there are a couple of theories of why you would be choosing a clan later:
      1. You will perform something awesome and maybe get a reward to diablerize an enemy (maybe you can choose which one to diablerize).
      2. You were embraced among other thin bloods and believed to be one, but are in fact not one. (not sure how this would work). Maybe you won't know what clan you are since you're on the run, but later your mentor will help you figure it out.

It seems in the beginning you'll have the option to use one of 3 powers - telekinesis, glide or turning into mist (each will provide different use).

There will be many side-quests that will be enriching the story and the world.

You'll be performing your own investigations from a conspiracy theory board inside your apartment.

Last but not least, the deluxe editions mention Smilling Jack, Jeanette outfits as well as other items such as stop sign.
I hope that some of the old characters will make a return or we will be allowed to travel back to LA.

It will be an absolute blast to go back to the exact same locations from the first game (where maybe even the ost can be familiar) and just revisit everything, with super upgraded graphics.

P.S They also mentioned that more clans will be added as free DLCs. Initially we will probably start with 7 clans only.
Only story expansions will be paid content.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Sian on March 22, 2019, 08:23:03 PM
According to https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2019-03-22-vampire-the-masquerade-bloodlines-2-is-a-darkly-fascinating-immersive-sim

"There'll be full mod support out of the box - Paradox, ever a supporter of community, openly acknowledges the part the community played in keeping the original alive and restoring some of its grace."

Paradox have a reputation for questionable, often buggy releases (through that might simply be because their usual flair of games have stupidly many moving parts and tons of people deliberately/inadvertently trying to break stuff), but also being very quick with fixes and a community-awareness thats second to none
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Aurelian on March 22, 2019, 08:50:26 PM
I've read quite a bit of interviews about the game and it seems that they'll really try to ensure Seattle feels alive with people and they react to everything you do.

I read somewhere that histories will also affect certain areas of the game - if you're a cop, going back to the police station as vampire will be different than if you're a barista.

It seems that you'll be a thin blood in the beginning and there are a couple of theories of why you would be choosing a clan later:
      1. You will perform something awesome and maybe get a reward to diablerize an enemy (maybe you can choose which one to diablerize).
      2. You were embraced among other thin bloods and believed to be one, but are in fact not one. (not sure how this would work). Maybe you won't know what clan you are since you're on the run, but later your mentor will help you figure it out.

It seems in the beginning you'll have the option to use one of 3 powers - telekinesis, glide or turning into mist (each will provide different use).

There will be many side-quests that will be enriching the story and the world.

You'll be performing your own investigations from a conspiracy theory board inside your apartment.

Last but not least, the deluxe editions mention Smilling Jack, Jeanette outfits as well as other items such as stop sign.
I hope that some of the old characters will make a return or we will be allowed to travel back to LA.

It will be an absolute blast to go back to the exact same locations from the first game (where maybe even the ost can be familiar) and just revisit everything, with super upgraded graphics.

P.S They also mentioned that more clans will be added as free DLCs. Initially we will probably start with 7 clans only.
Only story expansions will be paid content.

Honestly, all the info we gathered, it looks like they know what they are doing. I am always a skeptic by my Slavic nature, but I do believe that we might actually getting a brilliant game, worthy of the Game of the Year reward. I am quite interested what shall happen to Werewolf the Apocalypse game?

More good news, Rik Schaffer is main composer!

https://twitter.com/outstarwalker/status/1109127882423492608
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Candy Narwhal on March 22, 2019, 11:32:05 PM
Wow, the Steam discussions for this game are already absolutely cancerous, and it's barely been a day since the reveal. I really wish I hadn't looked them up. :rofl:

I admit, some of what was said during the keynote felt a bit much like lip service, even to me - but these reactions are just sad.

Having said that, there's also this part of me that's perversely enjoying the fact that some people will never be able to enjoy the game, just because there's open-ended character creation and whatever else. :vampwink:

Other than some of the indications that maybe they'll neuter the game a bit - which isn't going to be an issue anyway, because there's no way for us to know if they did, we'll only be able to comment on what was eventually included in the game - there's nothing I've heard about B2 yet that I'm worried about.

It's really too good to be true, all of this. We're living in the best timeline.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: YamiRaziel on March 22, 2019, 11:38:32 PM
Slavic? Where are you from?

To be honest, this whole censorship and everybody being offended at everything... it's too much.

If VTM needs to be gruesome and hardcore, then so be it.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: deicide on March 23, 2019, 05:37:34 AM
Though I hope the game would be worthy, not into preorders, will defer my decision until a chance to watch some lets-plays at least.
Cannot say I'm happy with the visual style, the most of characters from released material look samey due to the modern gamedev cancer, body capture, or, rather, heavy reliance on it. It's one thing to capture the data and entirely different to use it, should the one forget about the second part it results in everyone looking like an average Jane or Joe. Not a dealbreaker if the story and gameplay would be good enough, but still...
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: J3ster on March 23, 2019, 08:21:23 AM
I don't think anyone posted a keynote video so here it is (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8qsxNt3f0Y).

Longer and better sewers, yay. Also it seems v5 edition basis confirmed.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: mdqp on March 23, 2019, 09:53:31 AM
Wow, the Steam discussions for this game are already absolutely cancerous, and it's barely been a day since the reveal. I really wish I hadn't looked them up. :rofl:

I admit, some of what was said during the keynote felt a bit much like lip service, even to me - but these reactions are just sad.

Having said that, there's also this part of me that's perversely enjoying the fact that some people will never be able to enjoy the game, just because there's open-ended character creation and whatever else. :vampwink:

Other than some of the indications that maybe they'll neuter the game a bit - which isn't going to be an issue anyway, because there's no way for us to know if they did, we'll only be able to comment on what was eventually included in the game - there's nothing I've heard about B2 yet that I'm worried about.

It's really too good to be true, all of this. We're living in the best timeline.

I am sure the comments were a lot of nonsense or exaggerations, as it often happens, although the fact that one of the writers went on a long spiel as a journalist about the rape in hotline miami 2 is a bit worrisome about potential "neutering", as you put it (I am not saying that I DEMAND or NEED a rape scene in Bloodlines 2, of course, but the game always had a rather "adult" slant, it was part of the charm to me) . I think it's better to have artists try out stuff, even if it turns out a bit offensive at times, rather than the opposite.

To make a bad example, the only way to treat mental illness with "respect" in media... Is usally to not touch it at all, or you just go around preaching people how "not all people with condition x behave in y manner!" and so on. That's not a particularly interesting conversation, and one that takes time to do properly, all to get a rather mediocre payoff in character development (because, of course, if treated respectfully, the only thing that will come out of it is that the illness is not what defines that person). Effectively, we just wasted time to write a character with an issue, only to normalize him to make it "not-offensive". Maybe it works for some "feel-good" stories, but I don't think that would fit here.

Of course, it's not like I saw the script and I am making an assessment on the actual writing, all I am saying is that writing is more delicate than people give it credit for, and it's easy to fuck it up if you focus from the get go on stuff outside of it.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: J3ster on March 23, 2019, 11:29:40 AM
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Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Aurelian on March 23, 2019, 11:59:42 AM
Slavic? Where are you from?

Croatia.

That famous Slavic melancholy that is so evident in the centuries of art of Slavic nations comes with a healthy dose of skepticism.


Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Aurelian on March 23, 2019, 12:08:04 PM
Also it seems v5 edition basis confirmed.

Yeah, I would have preferred if they did not go the V5 route. I am not that enthusiastic about changes done to various clans and factions.

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Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: J3ster on March 23, 2019, 01:02:48 PM
Yeah, I would have preferred if they did not go the V5 route. I am not that enthusiastic about changes done to various clans and factions.

I'm probably in a minority, but IMO they should've just went the spiritual successor route and based everything on Requiem. It would still let them capitalize on the general nostalgia yet have much more creative freedom due to less luggage that CofD carries.

Edit: Watched the interview (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hxp0lZjrNo), they might want to rename thin-bloods to thick bloods. Those powers are huge compared to Revised.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Mond_Blutgut on March 23, 2019, 02:39:53 PM
UX/UI designer Rachel Leiker:

"One of the big design challenges but also one of the most fulfilling has been to create a world that the player gets to explore on their own terms. We're not really using any kind of indicators for a lot of the side quests and a lot of, the sort of secret interactions that you can do throughout the game because we really want the player to be able to figure these things out on their own and kind of discover them throughout the world as they move through it. In this way we help with immersion and it's also kind of interesting for us as developers because we get to really stretch our wings as far as doing environmental cues and doing really fun interesting things to show the player what they can do."

As it should be done.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Ghanima_Atreides on March 23, 2019, 02:42:50 PM

Edit: Watched the interview (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hxp0lZjrNo), they might want to rename thin-bloods to thick bloods. Those powers are huge compared to Revised.


Well, considering we will be able to choose a clan later on, I suspect we aren't thin bloods at all, but just assumed to be so because we were Embraced along with the rest.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Porphyria on March 23, 2019, 03:35:49 PM
Well. I guess it's good there's a sequel game coming. I wanted to be excited for this for a long time, but unless I'm proven wrong, which I could be, MEH.

I really like the thin-blood idea, or whatever they are going for there story-wise. I'm sure that would be interesting. I personally don't want to play a first-person perspective game. I know I'm in the minority since many new games are going that way, but a large part of my enjoyment in these games is seeing what my character is doing, how I can customize them, etc. I couldn't really tell if it was an open world type style either, or more linear.

Also, it looked suspiciously like Lacroix was in that trailer, probably trying to sell his flavoured water. Douche.  :irritated:
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: IanW on March 23, 2019, 03:42:15 PM
Canonically:

So that's how you'd get to be able to choose your clan: you gain the clan of whoever you diablerize to escape being a thin-blood.

(And yes, it means you can get a weird case like your actual sire being a Brujah but you yourself are a Ventrue.)
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Ghanima_Atreides on March 23, 2019, 03:56:38 PM

  • Thin bloods are occasionally rewarded with the opportunity to diablerize another vampire: this thickens the blood enough that they lose thin-blood status and behave like a normal vampire. It also means they gain the clan of whoever they just diablerized.
So that's how you'd get to be able to choose your clan: you gain the clan of whoever you diablerize to escape being a thin-blood.


I admit I am not completely up to date with V5, but this seems...weird to me. The Camarilla generally frowns on diablerie quite a lot, so it would be strange, to me, for them to offer it as a reward. Unless this isn't exactly "on the books" or perhaps not even done with the Camarilla's knowledge, that's also possible.

It would also rather put a damper on certain character concepts, like high humanity vamps who avoid violence, if you are forced to be a diablerist. But I guess this can be worked around somehow, invoke the Beast etc. Still...
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Mond_Blutgut on March 23, 2019, 03:58:54 PM
I couldn't really tell if it was an open world type style either, or more linear.

Considering that they mentioned a regular playthrough taking about 30-40 hours I assume it's structured like the original Bloodlines, with each district being much larger and more (vertically) spacious (but still confined in one way or another) than the LA ones of course.

(And yes, it means you can get a weird case like your actual sire being a Brujah but you yourself are a Ventrue.)

Which only makes the concept even more intriguing.
Not to mention providing probably THE incentive for multiple playthroughs. And that's not even taking into account the different backgrounds (police officer, criminal, etc) to choose from at the beginning.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: J3ster on March 23, 2019, 06:15:06 PM
Canonically:
[...]
So that's how you'd get to be able to choose your clan: you gain the clan of whoever you diablerize to escape being a thin-blood.

(And yes, it means you can get a weird case like your actual sire being a Brujah but you yourself are a Ventrue.)

Is that an official confirmation? It still looks a bit rough from a storytelling perspective to me (granted, I've seen nothing yet) - the patsy will have to either be insignificant enough to be able to swap clans based on a player's choice, or if we're gonna diablerize an actual character there has to be a vast array of them - for every sect/clan combination there has to be at least one potential target. It would stand to reason that Camarilla would let me diablerize a Brujah Anarch but Anarchs probably won't.

Ed: Of course, there's a simple route of player doing the tutorial and then being led into the faction cellar where every clan representative is served in an individual cell with a glass and corkscrew, but that's just lazy.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: mdqp on March 23, 2019, 06:22:55 PM
Is that an official confirmation? It still looks a bit rough from a storytelling perspective to me (granted, I've seen nothing yet) - the patsy will have to either be insignificant enough to be able to swap clans based on a player's choice, or if we're gonna diablerize an actual character there has to be a vast array of them - for every sect/clan combination there has to be at least one potential target. It would stand to reason that Camarilla would let me diablerize a Brujah Anarch but Anarchs probably won't.

Ed: Of course, there's a simple route of player doing the tutorial and then being led into the faction cellar where every clan representative is served in an individual cell with a glass and corkscrew, but that's just lazy.

Maybe they'll take you to a cell, but make you pick the clan before you enter, and change the guy inside to fit the choice. Honestly, there are probably many ways, I just don't get why we start as a thin blood if they then change it. Feels like a big deal quickly changed to become inconsequential early on.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: J3ster on March 23, 2019, 06:30:56 PM
Maybe they'll take you to a cell, but make you pick the clan before you enter, and change the guy inside to fit the choice. Honestly, there are probably many ways, I just don't get why we start as a thin blood if they then change it. Feels like a big deal quickly changed to become inconsequential early on.

But then you just diablerize a glorified tickbox. There's no weight to it. Alternatively there might be a challenge to complete the game without turning into a full vampire? Like Deus Ex Zero Factory achievements? I'm having a hard time imagining it being possible with thin-blood having to potentially fight elder vampires and werewolves. (?! They are the "enemy" in the DLC, amirite?)
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: YamiRaziel on March 23, 2019, 06:41:41 PM
I think that you might have to put some solid game hours before you pick the clan. I really doubt it's going to be after the tutorial or anything like that.

From what I've read the idea is for you to feel a bit weaker so that you can slowly grow in power.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Signothorn on March 23, 2019, 06:42:31 PM
I couldn't find any 100% confirmed documented proof they were using Unreal 4, but Florian Schwarzer confirmed it to me in a Twitter thread. Also sounds like the game was literally built from the ground up with modding in mind.  :drink:
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: IanW on March 23, 2019, 06:57:06 PM
I admit I am not completely up to date with V5, but this seems...weird to me. The Camarilla generally frowns on diablerie quite a lot, so it would be strange, to me, for them to offer it as a reward. Unless this isn't exactly "on the books" or perhaps not even done with the Camarilla's knowledge, that's also possible.

The Camarilla does sanction diablerie in some cases, for example as a reward for taking part in a Blood Hunt, you get to diablerize the target of the hunt. And while it may not technically be allowed when you're running-and-gunning in Sabbat territory, they'll often look the other way.

Of course, there's nothing saying the Camarilla is involved at all in this case. Anarchs don't really have a set of laws so much as they have some common sense behaviours, so if you're going to diablerize someone, Anarchs might frown on it, but they're not going to come for your head or anything.

Is that an official confirmation?

That's an official confirmation of how things can theoretically work in-universe, not a confirmation on how it's going to work in Bloodlines 2 specifically.

I think that you might have to put some solid game hours before you pick the clan.

That's the impression I got. I'd imagine that, to use a Bloodlines 1 analogy, you'd spend Santa Monica as a thin-blood, and then after getting Downtown -- maybe after the Elizabeth Dane -- you'd get the opportunity to pick your clan. Pretty much the whole of Santa Monica was low-key an extended tutorial area anyway.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Mond_Blutgut on March 23, 2019, 07:05:26 PM
I think that you might have to put some solid game hours before you pick the clan.

That's the impression I got. I'd imagine that, to use a Bloodlines 1 analogy, you'd spend Santa Monica as a thin-blood, and then after getting Downtown -- maybe after the Elizabeth Dane -- you'd get the opportunity to pick your clan. Pretty much the whole of Santa Monica was low-key an extended tutorial area anyway.

Don't quote me on that but I think they mentioned you'll spend roughly the first third of the game as a clanless thin-blood.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Wesp5 on March 23, 2019, 07:07:21 PM
The Camarilla does sanction diablerie in some cases, for example as a reward for taking part in a Blood Hunt, you get to diablerize the target of the hunt. And while it may not technically be allowed when you're running-and-gunning in Sabbat territory, they'll often look the other way.

But what happens if you meet a Camarilla vampire afterwards that can see the diablerie aura? Wouldn't they kill you or at least question you? Also what about the new disciplines you get in Bloodlines 2 at the start: fog, bat swarm and telekinesis. Have these any base in V5 and are they available to thin blood caitiff?
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Gurkhal on March 23, 2019, 07:45:44 PM
The Camarilla does sanction diablerie in some cases, for example as a reward for taking part in a Blood Hunt, you get to diablerize the target of the hunt. And while it may not technically be allowed when you're running-and-gunning in Sabbat territory, they'll often look the other way.

But what happens if you meet a Camarilla vampire afterwards that can see the diablerie aura? Wouldn't they kill you or at least question you? Also what about the new disciplines you get in Bloodlines 2 at the start: fog, bat swarm and telekinesis. Have these any base in V5 and are they available to thin blood caitiff?

In the case of the diablerie I imagine that this Camarilla vampire would take things to the elders who will look the other with more or less grace to it. After all while the Camarilla has laws, it don't have the rule of law, if you get my meaning.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Mond_Blutgut on March 23, 2019, 10:28:09 PM
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https://twitter.com/Zakkarian/status/1108960161396219905
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Aurelian on March 23, 2019, 11:53:58 PM
I couldn't find any 100% confirmed documented proof they were using Unreal 4, but Florian Schwarzer confirmed it to me in a Twitter thread. Also sounds like the game was literally built from the ground up with modding in mind.  :drink:

Legends say, that players are already patching the game.  :rofl:
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Mond_Blutgut on March 24, 2019, 01:51:25 AM
"We are committed to making and keeping #bloodlines2 available across Steam, Paradox store, GOG and Epic and we will also be selling it on PS4 and Xbox One"

https://twitter.com/VtM_Bloodlines/status/1109625631636156416
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: DarkProphet on March 24, 2019, 03:15:45 AM
Maybe they'll take you to a cell, but make you pick the clan before you enter, and change the guy inside to fit the choice. Honestly, there are probably many ways, I just don't get why we start as a thin blood if they then change it. Feels like a big deal quickly changed to become inconsequential early on.

But then you just diablerize a glorified tickbox. There's no weight to it. Alternatively there might be a challenge to complete the game without turning into a full vampire? Like Deus Ex Zero Factory achievements? I'm having a hard time imagining it being possible with thin-blood having to potentially fight elder vampires and werewolves. (?! They are the "enemy" in the DLC, amirite?)

Yeah, a thin blood would have hell taking on the average werewolf unless the rules changed for V5 for default common werewolf stats (I dunno). Otherwise, we're gonna need a whole shitload of observatory doors to take these guys on!
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Barabbah on March 24, 2019, 03:59:08 AM
Legends say, that players are already patching the game.  :rofl:

<3 <3 <3  :rofl:
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Radical21 on March 24, 2019, 07:55:05 AM
I miss Deb of night also  :cometome:
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: IanW on March 24, 2019, 12:51:48 PM
But what happens if you meet a Camarilla vampire afterwards that can see the diablerie aura? Wouldn't they kill you or at least question you?

I can see a lot of ways around this.

If the Cam vampire is in non-Camarilla territory they don't have a lot of recourse if they want to enforce their laws.

You could also have a situation something like the Catholic church in the medieval-ish period: we'll forgive all your sins if you convert to Christianity. Hell, the Camarilla are opening their doors to the Lasombra (although they're not making it easy) when that would have been unthinkable just a few years ago, so something like a little thin-blooded diablerie might not raise a lot of red flags.

Since many people still consider thin-bloods a dangerous harbinger of Gehenna, some might consider the crime of diablerie to be a lesser crime than just being a thin-blood. So, like, yes diablerie's bad, but congratulations on taking the initiative and escaping the thin-blooded condition.

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Also what about the new disciplines you get in Bloodlines 2 at the start: fog, bat swarm and telekinesis. Have these any base in V5 and are they available to thin blood caitiff?

Yes! I'll quote something I said on RPGnet:

Quote from: Me on RPGnet
In Revised edition's "Time of Thin Blood (https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/2302?affiliate_id=13)," they went into a lot of detail about thin-bloods. One of the more curious things about them is that they were inceptors: Kindred able to create their own Disciplines. The term "inceptor" was typically reserved for Antediluvians, and many elders of course objected to or resented the idea that this term was being applied to the least among them.

In V5, this ability has been semi-retconned and takes the form of Thin Blood Alchemy, where -- rather than a traditional Discipline -- they muck around with their blood in weird ways to create powers. The result is generally the same, but the effect is more akin to Thaumaturgical rituals. Or, to jump game lines, it's more like the way a Hollow One cobbles together a magical effect.

So, for example "I made a mixture from vitae, eagle feathers, and crushed telescope lens glass and I'm going to drink it to gain telescopic vision" or whatever. The alchemist can choose a method that uses their own body as the "furnace," one that uses a human body (so you feed from them to gain the power), or a more traditional alchemical version with a physical kiln.

You can mimic many standard Disciplines powers or invent your own, but they don't last forever, and you'll either have to mix up another batch of the same formula, or come up with new ones for new powers.

So thin-bloods have always been able to make their own Disciplines, although exactly how they do that has changed over the years. That shot in the trailer of the guy squeezing a blood bag into a solo cup might be a scene where he's putting together a Discipline formula for you.

Mentalism, Chiropteran, and Nebulism sound like a lot of fun and I'm looking forward to seeing how they work in Bloodlines 2.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Barabbah on March 24, 2019, 12:53:22 PM
It would be interesing if she'll become an actual NPC and not just a radio voice....
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: DarkProphet on March 24, 2019, 06:42:53 PM
It would be interesing if she'll become an actual NPC and not just a radio voice....

Could be fun, and it would be easy enough to get her into the game. I'm not writer, and even I could come up with something believable, like...say the regular Seattle late-night radio host actually lends credence to the rumors the "crazies" are calling in about creatures of the night, so the Prince has him "disappeared" and needs a new host.

Perhaps L.A.'s Deb of Night left her job 2-3 years ago (I mean it's been 15 years since Bloodlines 1), and the Prince wants someone who simultaneously gives the "nutjobs" calling in with their conspiracy theories an outlet to feel like they've been heard, while the host simultaneously dismisses them such that the general populace doesn't believe their claims. The Prince uses a ghoul who owns the Seattle radio station to reach out to Deb with moving expenses, a sign-on bonus, and a questionably high salary, and that would be all it takes to get her to Seattle.

As for her being an NPC, part of me would prefer she just be a voice on the radio, but if she were an NPC, we'd need quests, and I think that having her ask you to investigate one or two of the weird callers' stories that left her wondering it they might be true could be interesting. One turns out to be a silly hoax, while the other turns out to be of Kindred origin. Then you could choose various options to resolve the quest: "disappear" Deb because she knows too much, tell her that the hoax was true so that she is discredited, protect the Masquerade by covering up the Kindred story by claiming it was a hoax, or tell her the truth about the Kindred investigation and either convince her to stay quiet and play along to stay safe, or fail at convincing her and she goes on the air with the truth.

And that's just one idea that immediately came to talentless me. Someone with experience in writing could make something far better, no doubt. :razz:
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Signothorn on March 24, 2019, 08:10:48 PM
https://twitter.com/ze_schwarzer/status/1109909873339314176

Florian Schwarzer's comment on the modding sdk.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Porphyria on March 25, 2019, 02:11:32 PM
I'm not a VtM lore expert, but on the face of it, this story reads like a very Sabbat type opening. Kinda makes me wonder why they didn't choose to go that way, considering the first game was from Camarilla perspective. I'd never even heard of a "mass embrace" on the Cam side until I read the new game description, but that kinda thing is just a typical night in the Sabbat ranks, as well as diablerie being commonplace. And that blood bond thingy I can't remember the name of. That would be a cool mechanic.

There must be reasons behind that decision, but I always thought Sabbat had just as many clans and things going on as Camarilla, they were just the "other" guys. They still have to follow the Masquerade. Just speculation, but maybe that wasn't chosen because that wouldn't be AS impactful as a story? Presumably thinbloods happen all the time in Sabbat and they just don't care about you? You are either cannon fodder for the cause or you diablerize your way into something more important?

To me, that would work great as a plot for an open-world game. Oh well.

Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Saphrax on March 25, 2019, 04:42:32 PM
I am sure the comments were a lot of nonsense or exaggerations, as it often happens, although the fact that one of the writers went on a long spiel as a journalist about the rape in hotline miami 2 is a bit worrisome about potential "neutering", as you put it (I am not saying that I DEMAND or NEED a rape scene in Bloodlines 2, of course, but the game always had a rather "adult" slant, it was part of the charm to me) . I think it's better to have artists try out stuff, even if it turns out a bit offensive at times, rather than the opposite.

To make a bad example, the only way to treat mental illness with "respect" in media... Is usally to not touch it at all, or you just go around preaching people how "not all people with condition x behave in y manner!" and so on. That's not a particularly interesting conversation, and one that takes time to do properly, all to get a rather mediocre payoff in character development (because, of course, if treated respectfully, the only thing that will come out of it is that the illness is not what defines that person). Effectively, we just wasted time to write a character with an issue, only to normalize him to make it "not-offensive". Maybe it works for some "feel-good" stories, but I don't think that would fit here.

Of course, it's not like I saw the script and I am making an assessment on the actual writing, all I am saying is that writing is more delicate than people give it credit for, and it's easy to fuck it up if you focus from the get go on stuff outside of it.

I agree. I don't think that trying to make the game too safe so it won't offend anyone will do it any good. I think one of the aspects VtMB was so good for example was the humor, as it really took a shot at everyone. Can you imagine characters like Officer Chunk, Ji Wen Ja or Fat Larry ('cause I know I have a weight problem, I just don't give a f*ck') could make it into Bloodlines 2? I don't think that anyone was offended or hurt over the portrayal of these stereotypical characters back then.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: J3ster on March 25, 2019, 04:49:14 PM
Fat Larry has a very body-positive vibe though. I guess it just highlights the irony that people can be both welcoming of and offended by the same character.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Wesp5 on March 25, 2019, 04:54:19 PM
I'm not a VtM lore expert, but on the face of it, this story reads like a very Sabbat type opening. Kinda makes me wonder why they didn't choose to go that way, considering the first game was from Camarilla perspective.

Who knows that they don't? From what I have seen the Camarilla is about to kill you when their meeting is disturbed. After that you are a Caitiff Thin Blood and can choose to go in whatever direction you want. Maybe it was a Sabbat mass embrace...
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: mdqp on March 25, 2019, 05:47:14 PM
Who knows that they don't? From what I have seen the Camarilla is about to kill you when their meeting is disturbed. After that you are a Caitiff Thin Blood and can choose to go in whatever direction you want. Maybe it was a Sabbat mass embrace...

Does anybody know what's the status/balance of power of Camarilla and Sabbat in the 5th edition? From what I know, the Sabbat are mostly out of the way, at least for now, but it's just stuff I read from the wiki. I assume the 5th edition is going to be used for the "background lore" of Bloodlines 2 (but of course, I could be wrong).
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Radical21 on March 25, 2019, 07:11:36 PM
The Sabbat don't care all that much about the masquerade on the global scale.  In past editions they were happy to use masquerade breach as a disruption tactic in Camarilla cities so who is to say that is not the same here.
After all , the hunters only go after the kindred that hide in plain sight so the Sabbat has nothing to lose really, they just need to sit back at the edge of the city and watch the fireworks.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Barabbah on March 25, 2019, 08:54:08 PM
Mark my words: lasombra will try to overthrow the ventrues from the camarilla leadership. And I bet they'll succeed.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Aurelian on March 25, 2019, 10:00:39 PM
So, does anyone know which clans will be available to play at the start? I hope we get at least the same number as we did in the original. I would hate to see Bloodlines game dragged through corporate video gaming industry practices so that some clans become DLC only.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Signothorn on March 25, 2019, 10:04:04 PM
Mark my words: lasombra will try to overthrow the ventrues from the camarilla leadership. And I bet they'll succeed.

Yeah, but nobody expects the Malkavian Inquisition.  :dancecut:
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Wesp5 on March 25, 2019, 10:09:19 PM
So, does anyone know which clans will be available to play at the start?

I don't remember exactly, but I think there will be only 5 clans at release. But they already confirmed that any additional clans will be free!
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Aurelian on March 25, 2019, 10:10:59 PM
I don't remember exactly, but I think there will be only 5 clans at release. But they already confirmed that any additional clans will be free!

God, I wish to play as a Tzimisce and Setite.

Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: DarkProphet on March 26, 2019, 12:09:47 AM
So, does anyone know which clans will be available to play at the start?

I don't remember exactly, but I think there will be only 5 clans at release. But they already confirmed that any additional clans will be free!

The main website for the game has tabs for the clans. There are 5 normal clan tabs and one that says "bonus." My guess is "bonus" is where the clans added to the game later on after release. It would appear that the backgrounds might be clues as to which clans will be out at launch. It looks like Tremere, Brujah, Ventrue, Toreador, and probably Nosferatu. I say "probably" because it's an indoor hallway like in a warehouse or something. The "bonus" one looks like possibly a psychiatrist's office because of the clock on the wall, the few books on low shelves, the chairs, and most importantly, the various diplomas on walls...so I'm guessing Malkavian. So it's looking like Malks and Gangrel will be sometime after launch.

To be fair, though, Malkavian is a poor first-playthrough clan if it's in any way similar to the first game (bonkers lines and double-speak that you won't always comprehend unless you already know what the original replies you could give were, and spoilers via your character's madness), so I'm not too concerned about having them at launch. I do hope that if the game does well, they might add some Independent and Sabbat clans. Followers of Set and stuff could be really cool...or Tzimisce if we're actually allowed to do fleshcrafting.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: argikt on March 26, 2019, 08:11:10 AM
I have the feeling that this game will have a "chapter one" with driven style, and you have no faction.
Then a "chapter 2" where you must chose a clan to join (they will expand this part adding clans eventually) and a boss that give you quests. (this part will add big replayability to the game)
I don't know what they're planning then...
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: The Shadow Man on March 26, 2019, 03:06:54 PM
Mark my words: lasombra will try to overthrow the ventrues from the camarilla leadership. And I bet they'll succeed.

Yeah, but nobody expects the Malkavian Inquisition.  :dancecut:

Pirate Lasombra or Priest Lasombra?
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Barabbah on March 26, 2019, 05:12:04 PM
Mark my words: lasombra will try to overthrow the ventrues from the camarilla leadership. And I bet they'll succeed.

Yeah, but nobody expects the Malkavian Inquisition.  :dancecut:

Pirate Lasombra or Priest Lasombra?

I did mot get both of citation. Should I worry?
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: The Shadow Man on March 26, 2019, 05:22:58 PM
Quote
Pirate Lasombra or Priest Lasombra?

I did mot get both of citation. Should I worry?

I'm not totally sure what you are asking but I'm gonna hazard a guess. The Lasombra when they were first introduced were more evil Ventrue with shadow powers, as time went on and they became playable they added more stuff to make them seem less flat; primarily this is having Pirate Lasombra and Priest Lasombra (pretty similar to the Cappadocian monk shtick but they ended up extinct so).
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Porphyria on March 26, 2019, 06:19:32 PM
I don't remember exactly, but I think there will be only 5 clans at release. But they already confirmed that any additional clans will be free!

God, I wish to play as a Tzimisce and Setite.

Good luck trying to diablerize a Tzim. That could end badly in so many ways haha. Especially if you have to show up with nothing but a FORK because you have the "No Fangs" thinblood trait LOL And aren't they usually Bishops or whatever? I believe Andrei was the Bishop in the last game. #BasementTzimPTSD   :cry:

If there are only 5 clans on release that's still leaving a lot of main ones out. So guessing Sabbat will be nil.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Barabbah on March 26, 2019, 07:36:58 PM
Quote
Pirate Lasombra or Priest Lasombra?

I did mot get both of citation. Should I worry?

I'm not totally sure what you are asking but I'm gonna hazard a guess. The Lasombra when they were first introduced were more evil Ventrue with shadow powers, as time went on and they became playable they added more stuff to make them seem less flat; primarily this is having Pirate Lasombra and Priest Lasombra (pretty similar to the Cappadocian monk shtick but they ended up extinct so).

Mmh. Anyhow I was talking also of the other quote (the malk inquisition)....
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Ghanima_Atreides on March 26, 2019, 07:46:14 PM
One thing is for sure, unless the choice is not really part of the story and only in the hands of the player (as in, we get to choose, but in the game it's somehow presented as  the only choice our characters can make), it's going to take some serious thought in order to RP choosing to become a Nos.   :razz:
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Signothorn on March 26, 2019, 09:33:00 PM
https://venturebeat.com/2019/03/26/vampire-the-masquerade-bloodlines-ii-interview-brian-mitsoda/
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Aurelian on March 26, 2019, 10:17:55 PM
https://venturebeat.com/2019/03/26/vampire-the-masquerade-bloodlines-ii-interview-brian-mitsoda/

I am getting the feeling that Brian was given creative freedom during development of the game. At least, that is the vibe I detect.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Sabbat_stalker on March 26, 2019, 10:28:39 PM
"You start as a “thin blood” — a baby vampire" Is he getting thin blood mixed up with caitiff or 13th generation?
Can thin blood become 13th through diablerie?

Edit: didn't see the 2nd page, it seems you do play thin blood which I guess means that you won't get to choose a clan sadly.
Seems to me that blood alchemy is going to play a big role in this game which I guess ties in well with the special resonance of blood.

Source : https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Thin-blooded
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Zanderat on March 27, 2019, 02:36:44 AM
Quote
Pirate Lasombra or Priest Lasombra?

I did mot get both of citation. Should I worry?

I'm not totally sure what you are asking but I'm gonna hazard a guess. The Lasombra when they were first introduced were more evil Ventrue with shadow powers, as time went on and they became playable they added more stuff to make them seem less flat; primarily this is having Pirate Lasombra and Priest Lasombra (pretty similar to the Cappadocian monk shtick but they ended up extinct so).

Mmh. Anyhow I was talking also of the other quote (the malk inquisition)....
https://youtu.be/1N6OOWtCYQA (https://youtu.be/1N6OOWtCYQA)
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: DarkProphet on March 27, 2019, 03:08:12 AM
"You start as a “thin blood” — a baby vampire" Is he getting thin blood mixed up with caitiff or 13th generation?
Can thin blood become 13th through diablerie?

Edit: didn't see the 2nd page, it seems you do play thin blood which I guess means that you won't get to choose a clan sadly.
Seems to me that blood alchemy is going to play a big role in this game which I guess ties in well with the special resonance of blood.

Source : https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Thin-blooded

The devs have already stated you get to choose a clan. You just don't get to for a while in the game. You start as a thin-blood, then choose a clan later. Unless there's something we don't know, the only way to do that is Diablerie: the consuming of literally every drop of blood in a Kindred's body, until that Kindred meets its Final Death and you consume its very soul. Unless you're somehow forced to do it in character, one would think you would lose humanity for doing that. I mean killing someone is one thing, but devouring their soul? Someone with 7 humanity should not get through that unscathed...
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Radical21 on March 27, 2019, 03:24:47 AM
Theres also the thing about how said soul stays with the diablerist so its a recipe for hearing voices.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Barabbah on March 27, 2019, 04:32:43 AM
My opinion is you are embraced but abandoned, then the choice of your clan works on game and not from a menù. This because in some particular dialogs your choices "reveal" your nature and which clan are you.

A bit like the test at the beginning of the first bloodlines. Or the dialogs in Knights of the Old Republic 2 where you specify the final picked at the end of the first game or your backstory.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: mdqp on March 27, 2019, 05:37:03 PM
My opinion is you are embraced but abandoned, then the choice of your clan works on game and not from a menù. This because in some particular dialogs your choices "reveal" your nature and which clan are you.

A bit like the test at the beginning of the first bloodlines. Or the dialogs in Knights of the Old Republic 2 where you specify the final picked at the end of the first game or your backstory.

But if that was the case, would we be able to use Thin blood abilities? Basically, if we are part of a clan, and we just don't know it, shouldn't it be impossible to use those skills? What do the books from 5th edition say?
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Barabbah on March 27, 2019, 06:50:15 PM
I thought tthat thing was a momentary option, like picking your disciplines you drop the thin blood ones (like pokemon). Or you just keep it as an extra.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: mdqp on March 27, 2019, 07:02:53 PM
Guess I'll just have to wait until more news comes out and we get a confirmation on how things will work... It's going to be a LONG year until the game comes out, that's for sure! Hopefully we'll get more juicy details before that. I couldn't resist the call, so I re-installed the first game again, and the hype is ramping up. It's such a great game.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Wesp5 on March 27, 2019, 07:08:24 PM
I thought tthat thing was a momentary option, like picking your disciplines you drop the thin blood ones (like pokemon). Or you just keep it as an extra.

I hope you can keep them, like Bloodbuff and Bloodheal which are common for normal vampires. Also I don't see Diablerie as only option to learn new disciplines. I think you should be able to learn them from any willing mentor!
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Barabbah on March 27, 2019, 07:43:52 PM
I think you should be able to learn them from any willing mentor!

Now I want to be a tremere antitribu, learn obfuscate from a lasombra then leaving the sabbats to join the baali and learn daimonion (and maybe I'll add in the middle an exchange program with the independent alliance and add necromancy and serpentis to my curriculum)
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Ghanima_Atreides on March 27, 2019, 08:44:16 PM
Problem is, if I understand the new V5 rules correctly, Thin Bloods cannot learn Disciplines, they can only temporarily use them by drinking blood with a special resonance (and resonances are a thing in the new game) as well as craft blood potions.

Another interesting thing is that Thin Bloods are not accepted into the Camarilla, they are considered Anarchs by default.

So, if we are to properly learn Disciplines and join the Camarilla, we would either have to discover that we were never Thin Bloods to begin with (and those beginner powers are somehow available to all vampires, like Bloodbuff and Bloodheal) or lose our Thin Blood status through Diablerie. I have said before that I'm uncomfortable with the idea of Diablerie being forced on our characters; I am more than happy to have it as an option for the right characters but there are others who would have major issues with devouring someone's soul.

If that IS the way they plan to do it, I wonder if there's any way to refuse, and face the consequences: permanent Thin Blood status aka Hard Mode and being banned from joining the Camarilla. It might be an interesting alternate playstyle (and if not available at the start, perhaps moddable...)

Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Barabbah on March 27, 2019, 09:07:57 PM
I just presumed the protagonist was abandoned after the embrace and then he found back his roots....
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Zanderat on March 27, 2019, 10:06:06 PM
^^^That seems the easiest approach.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: BoxCrayonTales on March 27, 2019, 10:34:14 PM
The game mechanics don’t seem to line up with the tabletop mechanics. Paradox probably decided it made better sense to program something different that would work better in a video game context. In fact, there could be all sorts of divergences. Given how V5 turned out, Paradox doesn’t seem to like the lore all that much. I get the impression they wanted something like Requiem, but used Masquerade for recognition.

I don’t have a preference for either setting and I think it’s arbitrary and silly to keep them so divided. The lores have lomg ago gotten stale to me. So I’m probably not going to be disappointed by whatever Paradox surprises me with.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: IanW on March 27, 2019, 10:59:33 PM
The game mechanics don’t seem to line up with the tabletop mechanics. Paradox probably decided it made better sense to program something different that would work better in a video game context. In fact, there could be all sorts of divergences.

a) I don't think we know enough about B2 yet to make that determination
b) If true, it wouldn't be the first time. B1 didn't match up to the tabletop rules either.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: BoxCrayonTales on March 27, 2019, 11:09:12 PM
The game mechanics don’t seem to line up with the tabletop mechanics. Paradox probably decided it made better sense to program something different that would work better in a video game context. In fact, there could be all sorts of divergences.

a) I don't think we know enough about B2 yet to make that determination
b) If true, it wouldn't be the first time. B1 didn't match up to the tabletop rules either.
Chiropteran, mentalism and nebulation are mentioned as ability trees. I’m pretty sure that an indication.

The divergences are bigger than the other games. These are new powers entirely, not just adapted.

I’m surprised it took nearly thirty years before this happened. There’s all sorts of ways this creatively could have refreshed the tabletop.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: IanW on March 28, 2019, 02:08:49 PM
Chiropteran, mentalism and nebulation are mentioned as ability trees. I’m pretty sure that an indication.

The divergences are bigger than the other games. These are new powers entirely, not just adapted.

Not as big as you might think.

Thin-bloods are Inceptors (https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Inceptor_(VTM)) (vampires capable of creating their own Disciplines) and have been indicated as being so for a long time. At least 20 years (https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/2302?affiliate_id=13&src=PlanetVampire). Sample Disciplines have included Kineticism (https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Kineticism) (sound familiar?).

Recently this ability to create your own Discipline has been revised into Thin-Blood Alchemy (https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Thin-Blood_Alchemy).

The specific powers we're seeing may be new, but the fact that they're new isn't something that diverges from established canon.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: BoxCrayonTales on March 28, 2019, 03:39:26 PM
Chiropteran, mentalism and nebulation are mentioned as ability trees. I’m pretty sure that an indication.

The divergences are bigger than the other games. These are new powers entirely, not just adapted.

Not as big as you might think.

Thin-bloods are Inceptors (https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Inceptor_(VTM)) (vampires capable of creating their own Disciplines) and have been indicated as being so for a long time. At least 20 years (https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/2302?affiliate_id=13&src=PlanetVampire). Sample Disciplines have included Kineticism (https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Kineticism) (sound familiar?).

Recently this ability to create your own Discipline has been revised into Thin-Blood Alchemy (https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Thin-Blood_Alchemy).

The specific powers we're seeing may be new, but the fact that they're new isn't something that diverges from established canon.
That’s lovely lore trivia, but it doesn’t sell me on the setting.

You’re basically telling me that the tabletop game doesn’t let me play the way I want to without jumping through a bunch of arbitrary hoops. If I want to play The Lost Boys, then World of Darkness doesn’t give me the choice but instead forces me homebrew everything (http://dreaddice.blogspot.com/2012/09/three-decades-in-blood-lost-boys.html).

I take it for granted that a video game with be limited by its programming, but it flummoxes me that a tabletop game with the audacity to literally call itself Vampire does not support emulating vampire fiction. That’s like if Dungeons & Dragons didn’t have its iconic classes and monsters.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: DarkProphet on March 29, 2019, 01:10:36 AM
Chiropteran, mentalism and nebulation are mentioned as ability trees. I’m pretty sure that an indication.

The divergences are bigger than the other games. These are new powers entirely, not just adapted.

Not as big as you might think.

Thin-bloods are Inceptors (https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Inceptor_(VTM)) (vampires capable of creating their own Disciplines) and have been indicated as being so for a long time. At least 20 years (https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/2302?affiliate_id=13&src=PlanetVampire). Sample Disciplines have included Kineticism (https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Kineticism) (sound familiar?).

Recently this ability to create your own Discipline has been revised into Thin-Blood Alchemy (https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Thin-Blood_Alchemy).

The specific powers we're seeing may be new, but the fact that they're new isn't something that diverges from established canon.
That’s lovely lore trivia, but it doesn’t sell me on the setting.

You’re basically telling me that the tabletop game doesn’t let me play the way I want to without jumping through a bunch of arbitrary hoops. If I want to play The Lost Boys, then World of Darkness doesn’t give me the choice but instead forces me homebrew everything (http://dreaddice.blogspot.com/2012/09/three-decades-in-blood-lost-boys.html).

I take it for granted that a video game with be limited by its programming, but it flummoxes me that a tabletop game with the audacity to literally call itself Vampire does not support emulating vampire fiction. That’s like if Dungeons & Dragons didn’t have its iconic classes and monsters.


You're not insinuating that there's something wrong with Vampire the Masquerade because the rules don't cater specifically to ONE out of hundreds of different vampire mythos are you? If you wanted to do Lord of the Rings using Dungeons & Dragons, you would have to homebrew that game as well...
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: IanW on March 29, 2019, 06:43:25 PM
That’s lovely lore trivia, but it doesn’t sell me on the setting.

You’re basically telling me that the tabletop game doesn’t let me play the way I want to without jumping through a bunch of arbitrary hoops.

You said VTMB2 diverges from the established setting. I pointed out that it doesn't: it's fully consistent with the lore.

I said nothing about trying to sell you on the setting or how to play Vampire in the particular way you want to do it, so I'm not sure why you're trying to make that argument here.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: J3ster on March 29, 2019, 07:02:47 PM
I like how nebulation which allows you to turn into mist to get sucked into fans (https://youtu.be/8hxp0lZjrNo?t=317) and gives you projectile immunity and whatnot is a practical equivalent of a 5-dot Protean mistform and available to friggin thin-bloods. Elders beware!
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: DarkProphet on March 29, 2019, 07:26:10 PM
I like how nebulation which allows you to turn into mist to get sucked into fans (https://youtu.be/8hxp0lZjrNo?t=317) and gives you projectile immunity and whatnot is a practical equivalent of a 5-dot Protean mistform and available to friggin thin-bloods. Elders beware!

My bet is that each of the Thin-Blood powers has multiple levels (dots). Level 1 might let us turn into mist at scripted spots to pass through chainlink fences or vent grates, etc. Level 2 might let us remain in mist form long enough to get sucked through a ventilation and spat out elsewhere. I'm just spit-balling here, but I'd assume level 5 would then let us assume a mist form we can run or float around in freely with projectile immunity. Either that or we can seep inside a human's lungs to drown him/her on dry land, which would be pretty hilarious. XD

For Telekinesis, I would just assume weight increases and/or lifting additional objects. Ooo, and perhaps "catching" bullets mid-air, with a fifth dot letting you propel said bullets back at enemies.

As for the bat-summoning...uh...unless they do what Bloodlines did with Animalism 4, I dunno. *shrug*
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: J3ster on March 29, 2019, 07:47:45 PM
It's still ridiculously more powerful than V5 that requires ridiculous amounts of research and preparation, not to mention sourcing specific ingredients to counterfeit even mediocre 3-dot abilities. Faking 4-dot abilities requires 3 years of research and a month to distill. And 5-dot abilities are off limits. All to be able to perform once something that other vampires can just do with a snap of their fingers.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Nanaloma on March 29, 2019, 11:42:34 PM
I like how nebulation which allows you to turn into mist to get sucked into fans (https://youtu.be/8hxp0lZjrNo?t=317) and gives you projectile immunity and whatnot is a practical equivalent of a 5-dot Protean mistform and available to friggin thin-bloods. Elders beware!

My bet is that each of the Thin-Blood powers has multiple levels (dots). Level 1 might let us turn into mist at scripted spots to pass through chainlink fences or vent grates, etc. Level 2 might let us remain in mist form long enough to get sucked through a ventilation and spat out elsewhere. I'm just spit-balling here, but I'd assume level 5 would then let us assume a mist form we can run or float around in freely with projectile immunity. Either that or we can seep inside a human's lungs to drown him/her on dry land, which would be pretty hilarious. XD



For Telekinesis, I would just assume weight increases and/or lifting additional objects. Ooo, and perhaps "catching" bullets mid-air, with a fifth dot letting you propel said bullets back at enemies.

As for the bat-summoning...uh...unless they do what Bloodlines did with Animalism 4, I dunno. *shrug*

Bat summoning could work like (and my memory fails me) the one discipline that with one or two dots had birds or something flying around an enemies head to confuse them while you slipped by. 
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Barabbah on March 30, 2019, 04:45:52 AM
I like how nebulation which allows you to turn into mist to get sucked into fans (https://youtu.be/8hxp0lZjrNo?t=317) and gives you projectile immunity and whatnot is a practical equivalent of a 5-dot Protean mistform and available to friggin thin-bloods. Elders beware!

Like when your parents brags on something they've done on a pc, after months of trying to understand what they were doing, and you show them it was easier and quicker to learn

I've noticed V5 tries to show the once so called thin bloods are becoming more smart, learning to cope with their limits and managing to keep up and outsmart the vampires lower gen vamps


My bet is that each of the Thin-Blood powers has multiple levels (dots). Level 1 might let us turn into mist at scripted spots to pass through chainlink fences or vent grates, etc. Level 2 might let us remain in mist form long enough to get sucked through a ventilation and spat out elsewhere. I'm just spit-balling here, but I'd assume level 5 would then let us assume a mist form we can run or float around in freely with projectile immunity. Either that or we can seep inside a human's lungs to drown him/her on dry land, which would be pretty hilarious. XD

For Telekinesis, I would just assume weight increases and/or lifting additional objects. Ooo, and perhaps "catching" bullets mid-air, with a fifth dot letting you propel said bullets back at enemies.

As for the bat-summoning...uh...unless they do what Bloodlines did with Animalism 4, I dunno. *shrug*

I would as a mist enter in another body but not for killing him. More like be in there, make him know I'm in there and telling what he/she has to do. Or entering without the other one knowing and droving him crazy whispering things from the inside.

On telekinesis it would also be neat bend their guns, blocking the bullet inside the barrel, silently pulling the pin of a grenade, blocking arteries, pulling out eyes or testicles....

Bats can, finally, preparing your enemies' blood, taking you your wolfie slippers, cleaning the haven a bit and telling you the great news they're all pregnant

Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: DarkProphet on April 01, 2019, 03:10:16 AM
I like how nebulation which allows you to turn into mist to get sucked into fans (https://youtu.be/8hxp0lZjrNo?t=317) and gives you projectile immunity and whatnot is a practical equivalent of a 5-dot Protean mistform and available to friggin thin-bloods. Elders beware!

Like when your parents brags on something they've done on a pc, after months of trying to understand what they were doing, and you show them it was easier and quicker to learn

I've noticed V5 tries to show the once so called thin bloods are becoming more smart, learning to cope with their limits and managing to keep up and outsmart the vampires lower gen vamps


My bet is that each of the Thin-Blood powers has multiple levels (dots). Level 1 might let us turn into mist at scripted spots to pass through chainlink fences or vent grates, etc. Level 2 might let us remain in mist form long enough to get sucked through a ventilation and spat out elsewhere. I'm just spit-balling here, but I'd assume level 5 would then let us assume a mist form we can run or float around in freely with projectile immunity. Either that or we can seep inside a human's lungs to drown him/her on dry land, which would be pretty hilarious. XD

For Telekinesis, I would just assume weight increases and/or lifting additional objects. Ooo, and perhaps "catching" bullets mid-air, with a fifth dot letting you propel said bullets back at enemies.

As for the bat-summoning...uh...unless they do what Bloodlines did with Animalism 4, I dunno. *shrug*

I would as a mist enter in another body but not for killing him. More like be in there, make him know I'm in there and telling what he/she has to do. Or entering without the other one knowing and droving him crazy whispering things from the inside.

On telekinesis it would also be neat bend their guns, blocking the bullet inside the barrel, silently pulling the pin of a grenade, blocking arteries, pulling out eyes or testicles....

Bats can, finally, preparing your enemies' blood, taking you your wolfie slippers, cleaning the haven a bit and telling you the great news they're all pregnant

Your mist idea would be fun, though I suspect a human would drown to death before you could debate what he/she is going to do for you. I'm curious to see what they do with the new abilities, but unless they offer some transportation/gimmick stuff for the bats and telekinesis, the mist form seems to be the undisputed champion for a "I wanna get to go do everything" skill...unless they let us use telekinesis to activate buttons behind glass, etc. where mist form won't help us and there's no other way in.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Barabbah on April 01, 2019, 06:23:30 AM
And don't forget the slippers!

(https://www.bunnyslippers.com/shop/images/D.cache.dpicon/1183.jpg)

Ok, seriously, I'm quite excited about the evolution of the thin bloods. I always thought it was unfair the mistreating against them.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: DarkProphet on April 01, 2019, 08:06:52 AM
Hahaha, I did in fact forget the slippers, but I believe I will have difficulty doing so now. I, too, am interested in seeing what this game does with Thin-Bloods and their powers, and I agree that they certainly got a raw deal in the lore prior to this.

I'll bet the game will let us be snobby douchebags to our Thin-Blood buddies after we commit diablerie and become full Kindred in a clan. I mean not that I would, mind you - unless the Thin-Blood characters are all unlikable.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: argikt on April 01, 2019, 08:12:13 AM
Is too hard for me watch 1 hour interview in english...

if someone did it, I would like to know if they anwser the million question: When we can see a dema gameplay of the game? :smile:
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Barabbah on April 01, 2019, 08:18:18 AM
we can see a dema gameplay of the game?

Just use the Playable NPCs (https://www.nexusmods.com/vampirebloodlines/mods/25) mod and you can do a Dema gameplay  :razz: :razz: :vampwink:

(https://staticdelivery.nexusmods.com/mods/437/images/thumbnails/25-0-1447300566.jpg)
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: argikt on April 01, 2019, 08:27:02 AM
Lol!

And a demo gameplay?
did they give a date for some ingame video?
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: BoxCrayonTales on April 01, 2019, 03:49:36 PM
The powers feel more like Bloodlust Shadowhunter than Vampire Bloodlines. I’m honestly wondering why Paradox chose the World of Darkness IP if they are rendering it barely recognizable. Why not make a new world of darkness?

At this point I’m expecting the clan promotion to involve a magic ritual rather than cannibalism as others are speculating. Based on how vampire cannibalism works in the WoD, I don’t want to be forced to engage in that just to join a clan. Isn’t the premise to maintain humanity, not become a murderous psychopath?
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Barabbah on April 01, 2019, 06:31:43 PM
Lol!


I couldn't resist :razz:

Based on how vampire cannibalism works in the WoD, I don’t want to be forced to engage in that just to join a clan. Isn’t the premise to maintain humanity, not become a murderous psychopath?

I think the ingame choice will only set the clan of your sire. Any thin blood technically could be traced back to a clan, bloodline or whatever, it's only a matter if they receive proper teaching
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Gurkhal on April 01, 2019, 06:41:58 PM
The powers feel more like Bloodlust Shadowhunter than Vampire Bloodlines. I’m honestly wondering why Paradox chose the World of Darkness IP if they are rendering it barely recognizable. Why not make a new world of darkness?

At this point I’m expecting the clan promotion to involve a magic ritual rather than cannibalism as others are speculating. Based on how vampire cannibalism works in the WoD, I don’t want to be forced to engage in that just to join a clan. Isn’t the premise to maintain humanity, not become a murderous psychopath?

Why make a new World of Darkness when we've got this one? For what you need to understand is that the differences that Paradox has introduced is, I would say, moderate in scope and smaller than the ones that White Wolf has introduced across three editions of the Final Nights and the two Dark Age editions. If you would look at how much the VtM setting has changed between the First Edition corebook and the final supplement to the Revisited edition, then you would be able to see that these are fairly moderate changes.

There are lots of premises for VtM, changing with groups and players. If holding on to your humanity was the only or most important they wouldn't have made Roads and Paths playable nor would they expanded on decidedly inhuman player character options. And that was in the White Wolf days.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: DarkProphet on April 02, 2019, 07:43:04 AM
Lol!


I couldn't resist :razz:

Based on how vampire cannibalism works in the WoD, I don’t want to be forced to engage in that just to join a clan. Isn’t the premise to maintain humanity, not become a murderous psychopath?

I think the ingame choice will only set the clan of your sire. Any thin blood technically could be traced back to a clan, bloodline or whatever, it's only a matter if they receive proper teaching

You're thinking of Caitiff, man. Thin-Bloods, - which the interviews have made it completely clear that that is what we are - are an inferior sort of "sub-vampire." Caitiff need to learn which clan they came from and can then join a clan. Thin-Bloods, on the other hand, don't just get a clan by knowing which one sired them. They're "watered down" vampires on a physical level, as opposed to a mental one.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Barabbah on April 02, 2019, 11:32:57 AM
Based on how vampire cannibalism works in the WoD, I don’t want to be forced to engage in that just to join a clan. Isn’t the premise to maintain humanity, not become a murderous psychopath?
I think the ingame choice will only set the clan of your sire. Any thin blood technically could be traced back to a clan, bloodline or whatever, it's only a matter if they receive proper teaching
You're thinking of Caitiff, man. Thin-Bloods, - which the interviews have made it completely clear that that is what we are - are an inferior sort of "sub-vampire." Caitiff need to learn which clan they came from and can then join a clan. Thin-Bloods, on the other hand, don't just get a clan by knowing which one sired them. They're "watered down" vampires on a physical level, as opposed to a mental one.

Ah damn
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: IanW on April 03, 2019, 03:28:46 AM
Caitiff (https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Caitiff) and thin-blooded (https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Thin-blooded) are similar terms, and some people use them interchangeably, but they're different things.

"Thin bloods" are vampires who have a particular weakness of the blood: the higher your Generation, the weaker the curse, but around 14th Generation it takes a sharp drop. About half of the 14th Generation are thin-bloods, and all 15th and 16th are (albeit even weaker). For example, thin-bloods find it twice as hard to use vitae on Disciplines, can't use vitae at all on blood bonds, and have a certain amount of blood which can only be used for waking up each evening. While "normal" vampires can Embrace nearly instantly, thin-blood Embraces may not wake up for hours.

"Caitiff" has two general definitions: the first are vampires who do not know their own clan identity, or were outcast, so they have no community or clan resources on which to call. They're "clanless," but more for social reasons. For our purposes, we'll just call these "outcasts."

The second definition are the true clanless, those who have no clan identifiers for whatever reason. They have no "clan Disciplines" and no clan weaknesses.

Many thin bloods are outcasts. Not all outcasts are thin-blooded.
All thin bloods are Caitiff. Not all Caitiff are thin-blooded.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: DarkProphet on April 03, 2019, 06:28:23 AM
Caitiff (https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Caitiff) and thin-blooded (https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Thin-blooded) are similar terms, and some people use them interchangeably, but they're different things.

"Thin bloods" are vampires who have a particular weakness of the blood: the higher your Generation, the weaker the curse, but around 14th Generation it takes a sharp drop. About half of the 14th Generation are thin-bloods, and all 15th and 16th are (albeit even weaker). For example, thin-bloods find it twice as hard to use vitae on Disciplines, can't use vitae at all on blood bonds, and have a certain amount of blood which can only be used for waking up each evening. While "normal" vampires can Embrace nearly instantly, thin-blood Embraces may not wake up for hours.

"Caitiff" has two general definitions: the first are vampires who do not know their own clan identity, or were outcast, so they have no community or clan resources on which to call. They're "clanless," but more for social reasons. For our purposes, we'll just call these "outcasts."

The second definition are the true clanless, those who have no clan identifiers for whatever reason. They have no "clan Disciplines" and no clan weaknesses.

Many thin bloods are outcasts. Not all outcasts are thin-blooded.
All thin bloods are Caitiff. Not all Caitiff are thin-blooded.

Nice and simple! XD
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Aurelian on April 03, 2019, 10:21:09 PM
Caitiff (https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Caitiff) and thin-blooded (https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Thin-blooded) are similar terms, and some people use them interchangeably, but they're different things.

"Thin bloods" are vampires who have a particular weakness of the blood: the higher your Generation, the weaker the curse, but around 14th Generation it takes a sharp drop. About half of the 14th Generation are thin-bloods, and all 15th and 16th are (albeit even weaker). For example, thin-bloods find it twice as hard to use vitae on Disciplines, can't use vitae at all on blood bonds, and have a certain amount of blood which can only be used for waking up each evening. While "normal" vampires can Embrace nearly instantly, thin-blood Embraces may not wake up for hours.

"Caitiff" has two general definitions: the first are vampires who do not know their own clan identity, or were outcast, so they have no community or clan resources on which to call. They're "clanless," but more for social reasons. For our purposes, we'll just call these "outcasts."

The second definition are the true clanless, those who have no clan identifiers for whatever reason. They have no "clan Disciplines" and no clan weaknesses.

Many thin bloods are outcasts. Not all outcasts are thin-blooded.
All thin bloods are Caitiff. Not all Caitiff are thin-blooded.

Quite a good summary.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Nanaloma on April 05, 2019, 05:10:31 AM
Lol!


I couldn't resist :razz:

Based on how vampire cannibalism works in the WoD, I don’t want to be forced to engage in that just to join a clan. Isn’t the premise to maintain humanity, not become a murderous psychopath?

I think the ingame choice will only set the clan of your sire. Any thin blood technically could be traced back to a clan, bloodline or whatever, it's only a matter if they receive proper teaching

You're thinking of Caitiff, man. Thin-Bloods, - which the interviews have made it completely clear that that is what we are - are an inferior sort of "sub-vampire." Caitiff need to learn which clan they came from and can then join a clan. Thin-Bloods, on the other hand, don't just get a clan by knowing which one sired them. They're "watered down" vampires on a physical level, as opposed to a mental one.

Any vampire can become a Caitliff - it's simply a vampire who knows nothing of vampire history.  Most Caitlif are thin bloods since they are often abandoned by their sire because they are seen as a threat to the clan.  I imagine many are Gangrels. 

EDIT:  Ah, didn't read to the bottom first; IanW already explained and much better. 
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Highwayman667 on April 08, 2019, 07:13:21 AM
At this point I’m expecting the clan promotion to involve a magic ritual rather than cannibalism as others are speculating. Based on how vampire cannibalism works in the WoD, I don’t want to be forced to engage in that just to join a clan. Isn’t the premise to maintain humanity, not become a murderous psychopath?

I don't know if I even like that idea.

I always enjoyed the idea that vampires were doomed to eventual extinction. As I understand it, a 7th generation vampire can only make 8th generation vampires, and the latter only 9th generation vampires and so forth until there's only the thin bloods, who can't sire.

Maybe the main character is special in some way ? Maybe his circumstance won't be a standard procedure for all other vampires ?
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: DarkProphet on April 08, 2019, 07:22:08 AM
At this point I’m expecting the clan promotion to involve a magic ritual rather than cannibalism as others are speculating. Based on how vampire cannibalism works in the WoD, I don’t want to be forced to engage in that just to join a clan. Isn’t the premise to maintain humanity, not become a murderous psychopath?

I don't know if I even like that idea.

I always enjoyed the idea that vampires were doomed to eventual extinction. As I understand it, a 7th generation vampire can only make 8th generation vampires, and the latter only 9th generation vampires and so forth until there's only the thin bloods, who can't sire.

Maybe the main character is special in some way ? Maybe his circumstance won't be a standard procedure for all other vampires ?

From the sounds of how they were writing the rules and making the game at the same time, something like going from Thin-Blood to a 13th Generation Kindred seems like the sort of thing they would do in keeping with the lore. My only concern is how are we to play a character with high humanity if we diablerize someone? Diablerie without a humanity loss seems pretty...tough for me to envision.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: mdqp on April 08, 2019, 09:32:09 AM
From the sounds of how they were writing the rules and making the game at the same time, something like going from Thin-Blood to a 13th Generation Kindred seems like the sort of thing they would do in keeping with the lore. My only concern is how are we to play a character with high humanity if we diablerize someone? Diablerie without a humanity loss seems pretty...tough for me to envision.

Can you be forced to diablerize someone? Maybe that could skirt around the issue.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Barabbah on April 08, 2019, 10:20:27 AM
Maybe I'm wrong, but isn't morality in vampire subjective?

For a generic example, pick an antifa and an upper class vampire. A businessman is seen as a immoral crook by the former and a respected member of the community by the latter. So its murder is seen by the antifa vampire as a victory against the oppression and by the upper class an heinous and vile thing.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Highwayman667 on April 10, 2019, 03:00:42 AM
Maybe I'm wrong, but isn't morality in vampire subjective?

I wouldn't say subjective but much more relative in regards to certain areas. Murder being the first one.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: DarkProphet on April 11, 2019, 04:51:05 AM
From the sounds of how they were writing the rules and making the game at the same time, something like going from Thin-Blood to a 13th Generation Kindred seems like the sort of thing they would do in keeping with the lore. My only concern is how are we to play a character with high humanity if we diablerize someone? Diablerie without a humanity loss seems pretty...tough for me to envision.

Can you be forced to diablerize someone? Maybe that could skirt around the issue.

Sure. With all the Thin-Bloods, though, you'd think that whomever has you diablerize a 13th Generation Kindred would give a Thin-Blood who wanted to do this that opportunity instead of someone who didn't want to. They could get favors/boons out of a Thin-Blood for such things if the Thin-Blood begged for it, whereas a reluctant one wouldn't owe them much of anything since it was "rapey" (that's the scientific and technical term).

And Barabbah, I suppose you bring up a good point, though...I wonder if the Storyteller would place them at a lower starting Humanity by implying that although such kills might not upset the person doing the killing, Humanity is fairly objective at some point. I'm thinking Humanity 5 or 6, around the point where killing people isn't a big deal unless it's someone you personally care about like a loved one or someone you truly believe in (i.e. a pillar of the community in your mind).
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Barabbah on April 11, 2019, 05:17:06 AM
And Barabbah, I suppose you bring up a good point, though...I wonder if the Storyteller would place them at a lower starting Humanity by implying that although such kills might not upset the person doing the killing, Humanity is fairly objective at some point. I'm thinking Humanity 5 or 6, around the point where killing people isn't a big deal unless it's someone you personally care about like a loved one or someone you truly believe in (i.e. a pillar of the community in your mind).

Exactly. There are many other examples (like choosing between life support or euthanasia).

An even more complicate dilemma. I cannot come up with a good example since I'm writing this at 6 kf the morning after a sleepless night. Anyhow: a situation where you need to help someone but you don't know how. Or even doing nothing since this person needs to straight things up only by himself/herself. In the end, when each choice you have are both potentially the good one or the bad one.

Yeah, maybe is based on each own perspective.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Highwayman667 on April 12, 2019, 05:15:47 AM
And Barabbah, I suppose you bring up a good point, though...I wonder if the Storyteller would place them at a lower starting Humanity by implying that although such kills might not upset the person doing the killing, Humanity is fairly objective at some point. I'm thinking Humanity 5 or 6, around the point where killing people isn't a big deal unless it's someone you personally care about like a loved one or someone you truly believe in (i.e. a pillar of the community in your mind).

All this is assuming we even have a humanity meter in the game.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: VampireBill on April 12, 2019, 01:01:45 PM

All this is assuming we even have a humanity meter in the game.

Also assuming they don't just explain all these questions about how a thin-blood could join a Clan and become a highly powerful vampire in short order away with "A wizard did it!" (could even be literal, not just metaphorical in the WoD, lol) in the name of plot-expediency. X-D
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Highwayman667 on April 13, 2019, 01:48:48 AM
Also assuming they don't just explain all these questions about how a thin-blood could join a Clan and become a highly powerful vampire in short order away with "A wizard did it!" (could even be literal, not just metaphorical in the WoD, lol) in the name of plot-expediency. X-D

I think Mitsoda will give us "just enough" to keep us guessing at what really happened.

The Tzimisce from the first game said something was off about the fledgling's blood, which is important considering how Cain was manipulating all events in the shadows. It could be possible that the fledgling's blood had something special after all.

I bet the explanation for "The Thin-Blood's" induction into a clan won't be fully explained, the event might keep us guessing at what really happened, without it being a clear "You got tremered bro!"
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Wilhelm Streicher 19 on April 24, 2019, 05:35:03 PM


At the end there is a short Gameplay Sneak Peak.

By the Way could be "Born a Crime" a reference to book with same name from Daily Show host Trevor Noah?
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: DarkZephyr on April 24, 2019, 10:42:19 PM


At the end there is a short Gameplay Sneak Peak.

By the Way could be "Born a Crime" a reference to book with same name from Daily Show host Trevor Noah?

Looks pretty awesome to me, so far. 
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: DarkProphet on April 25, 2019, 05:26:00 AM
Also assuming they don't just explain all these questions about how a thin-blood could join a Clan and become a highly powerful vampire in short order away with "A wizard did it!" (could even be literal, not just metaphorical in the WoD, lol) in the name of plot-expediency. X-D

I think Mitsoda will give us "just enough" to keep us guessing at what really happened.

The Tzimisce from the first game said something was off about the fledgling's blood, which is important considering how Cain was manipulating all events in the shadows. It could be possible that the fledgling's blood had something special after all.

I bet the explanation for "The Thin-Blood's" induction into a clan won't be fully explained, the event might keep us guessing at what really happened, without it being a clear "You got tremered bro!"

Obviously this is subjective, but I can't possibly imagine them doing that. Going from being a thin-blood to not a thin-blood without something being presented seems highly unlikely to me. At best, there might be a Tremere ritual that "strengthens your blood" or something along those lines that's fairly vague, but just saying that you're a clan all of a sudden without any event to make it happen does not seem like the sort of thing Mitsoda would do. The oddness in Bloodlines 1's protagonist's blood may be there, but it's not a change in a state of being for the player character from one playable situation to the next with a sudden inexplicable change that's never resolved. If Bloodlines 2 does what you're proposing, it would have some super shitty writing.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Highwayman667 on April 25, 2019, 06:48:57 AM
Obviously this is subjective, but I can't possibly imagine them doing that. Going from being a thin-blood to not a thin-blood without something being presented seems highly unlikely to me. At best, there might be a Tremere ritual that "strengthens your blood" or something along those lines that's fairly vague, but just saying that you're a clan all of a sudden without any event to make it happen does not seem like the sort of thing Mitsoda would do. The oddness in Bloodlines 1's protagonist's blood may be there, but it's not a change in a state of being for the player character from one playable situation to the next with a sudden inexplicable change that's never resolved. If Bloodlines 2 does what you're proposing, it would have some super shitty writing.

To clarify, it would be an event we would all speculate upon. Something we can clearly see but not understand.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Wesp5 on April 25, 2019, 07:49:49 AM
To clarify, it would be an event we would all speculate upon. Something we can clearly see but not understand.

In "Beckett's Jyhad Diary", which basically explains the transition from V20 to V5 VtM, there are Thinbloods mentioned that suddenly got their full clan power, so this would even be canon.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Entenschreck on April 25, 2019, 04:39:55 PM
To clarify, it would be an event we would all speculate upon. Something we can clearly see but not understand.

In "Beckett's Jyhad Diary", which basically explains the transition from V20 to V5 VtM, there are Thinbloods mentioned that suddenly got their full clan power, so this would even be canon.

I've never read any of the WoD books, so this is of course pure speculation, but maybe thinned blood will act like stem cells in Bloodlines 2. After earning the respect and trust of one of the clans you might be allowed to drink some blood of a member of that clan. That might cause your thinned blood to adapt and mimic the ingested blood. Once the adaptation is complete your thinned blood has turned into the blood of that clan, with all the consequences. No Diablerie necessary.
Again, I'm really just guessing!
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Highwayman667 on April 26, 2019, 01:33:42 AM
In "Beckett's Jyhad Diary", which basically explains the transition from V20 to V5 VtM, there are Thinbloods mentioned that suddenly got their full clan power, so this would even be canon.

Suddenly ?
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Wesp5 on April 26, 2019, 07:52:44 AM
In "Beckett's Jyhad Diary", which basically explains the transition from V20 to V5 VtM, there are Thinbloods mentioned that suddenly got their full clan power, so this would even be canon.

Suddenly ?

Maybe more like spontaneous, but without Diablerie or other clan involvement.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: DarkProphet on April 26, 2019, 06:50:25 PM
In "Beckett's Jyhad Diary", which basically explains the transition from V20 to V5 VtM, there are Thinbloods mentioned that suddenly got their full clan power, so this would even be canon.

Suddenly ?

Maybe more like spontaneous, but without Diablerie or other clan involvement.

I'm betting we'll get to do a blood hunt for a 13th generation member of the clan we want to join. Either that or we'll delight the Prince or someone enough to get a "legal" Diablerie of a captured (and possible in torpor) violator of the Masquerade who has been sentenced to the Final Death.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Highwayman667 on April 27, 2019, 05:03:13 AM
Maybe more like spontaneous, but without Diablerie or other clan involvement.

See, I just can't imagine Diablerie being involved in any way. People have too many reservations about that. And this being a role-playing game, they'd still want to have the choice to not "feel" like a sabbat if they suddenly felt they'd get more enjoyment out of the game by pretending to be Camarilla.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: DarkZephyr on April 28, 2019, 02:24:16 AM
I'm betting we'll get to do a blood hunt for a 13th generation member of the clan we want to join. Either that or we'll delight the Prince or someone enough to get a "legal" Diablerie of a captured (and possible in torpor) violator of the Masquerade who has been sentenced to the Final Death.

If this is the case, I am hoping more for a 7th or 8th gen.  Our PC in the first game was at least 8th Gen (https://vtmb.fandom.com/wiki/The_Protagonist, plus the Tzimisce was able to sense or smell powerful potential in our blood).  I don't want a weaker Gen this time 'round. 
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Highwayman667 on April 28, 2019, 03:30:05 AM
If this is the case, I am hoping more for a 7th or 8th gen.  Our PC in the first game was at least 8th Gen (https://vtmb.fandom.com/wiki/The_Protagonist, plus the Tzimisce was able to sense or smell powerful potential in our blood).  I don't want a weaker Gen this time 'round.

If a kindred diablerizes another, doesn't that "upgrade" his gen ?
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: DarkZephyr on April 28, 2019, 03:58:19 AM
If this is the case, I am hoping more for a 7th or 8th gen.  Our PC in the first game was at least 8th Gen (https://vtmb.fandom.com/wiki/The_Protagonist, plus the Tzimisce was able to sense or smell powerful potential in our blood).  I don't want a weaker Gen this time 'round.

If a kindred diablerizes another, doesn't that "upgrade" his gen ?

Yes, as long as the one diablerized is a generation or more lower.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Highwayman667 on April 28, 2019, 07:42:01 PM
Yes, as long as the one diablerized is a generation or more lower.

What if Lacroix would've eaten an actual antideluvian ?
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Nanaloma on April 28, 2019, 09:46:17 PM
The Camerilla would've sent an army after him. 
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: DarkZephyr on April 28, 2019, 10:19:51 PM
Yes, as long as the one diablerized is a generation or more lower.

What if Lacroix would've eaten an actual antideluvian ?

If he had done so successfully, he would become 3rd Gen like Tremere did.  Although there's the possibility that the soul of whoever he diablerized would survive and battle him for control of the body, like with Tremere and Saulot. 
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: DarkProphet on April 29, 2019, 05:38:21 AM
Yes, as long as the one diablerized is a generation or more lower.

What if Lacroix would've eaten an actual antideluvian ?

If he had done so successfully, he would become 3rd Gen like Tremere did.  Although there's the possibility that the soul of whoever he diablerized would survive and battle him for control of the body, like with Tremere and Saulot.

I typed a really long response but planet-vampire diablerized my post! Anyway, that's not how it works. The rules are all over the place and inconsistent from game to game. The storyteller has the ultimate say, but you will usually go down several generations but not all the way to the Kindred's generation whom you diablerized. So a 13th gen diablerizing a 4th gen might become an 8th gen or some such. Some rules say the diablerizing kindred's gen + the diablerized kindred's gen, then divide the sum by 2, then subtract 1? But the example given just doesn't work and they screw the math up.

Anyway, like I said...the Storyteller will say what your gen becomes, but you're highly unlikely to match the gen you diablerized unless the one you diablerized is exactly one gen below your own. Now 3rd gen could be an exception since the Storyteller and White Wolf probably want 3rd gen to continue to exist and diablerizing it to cut its blood potency down in that clan permanently with no chance to go back up again sounds like something that wouldn't be allowed.

Then again, unless you have one seriously silly rascal of a Storyteller, he/she isn't going to allow you to diablerized a 3rd gen...and if he/she lets you, the Storyteller almost certainly plans on having you just be a vessel for the Antediluvian to inhabit your body with your soul locked away, the Antediluvian having complete control and using your body and its powers as the tool to attempt to consume all Kindred of its clan and wreak havoc, do whatever other shenanigans that particular Antediluvian wants to get up to, etc.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: DarkZephyr on April 29, 2019, 06:42:45 AM
Yes, as long as the one diablerized is a generation or more lower.

What if Lacroix would've eaten an actual antideluvian ?

If he had done so successfully, he would become 3rd Gen like Tremere did.  Although there's the possibility that the soul of whoever he diablerized would survive and battle him for control of the body, like with Tremere and Saulot.

I typed a really long response but planet-vampire diablerized my post! Anyway, that's not how it works. The rules are all over the place and inconsistent from game to game. The storyteller has the ultimate say, but you will usually go down several generations but not all the way to the Kindred's generation whom you diablerized. So a 13th gen diablerizing a 4th gen might become an 8th gen or some such. Some rules say the diablerizing kindred's gen + the diablerized kindred's gen, then divide the sum by 2, then subtract 1? But the example given just doesn't work and they screw the math up.

Anyway, like I said...the Storyteller will say what your gen becomes, but you're highly unlikely to match the gen you diablerized unless the one you diablerized is exactly one gen below your own. Now 3rd gen could be an exception since the Storyteller and White Wolf probably want 3rd gen to continue to exist and diablerizing it to cut its blood potency down in that clan permanently with no chance to go back up again sounds like something that wouldn't be allowed.

Then again, unless you have one seriously silly rascal of a Storyteller, he/she isn't going to allow you to diablerized a 3rd gen...and if he/she lets you, the Storyteller almost certainly plans on having you just be a vessel for the Antediluvian to inhabit your body with your soul locked away, the Antediluvian having complete control and using your body and its powers as the tool to attempt to consume all Kindred of its clan and wreak havoc, do whatever other shenanigans that particular Antediluvian wants to get up to, etc.

I don't play with storytellers and the pen and paper game.  I love the lore and read about it as much as I can, but the only games I play are the PC games.  Anyway, canonically, Tremere diablerized an Antediluvian and became an Antediluvian.  So if that's not how it works, White Wolf played fast and loose with their own rules: https://tinyurl.com/y5mryoek
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Ghanima_Atreides on April 29, 2019, 07:36:42 AM
It was strongly implied that's what Lacroix was expecting would happen as well. He had godhood aspirations.


(ARGH, I didn't mean to Dislike your post, DarkZephyr! I was trying to click Agree and hit that by accident and now I cannot change it anymore. :/ )
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Wesp5 on April 29, 2019, 08:34:09 AM
It was strongly implied that's what Lacroix was expecting would happen as well. He had godhood aspirations.

Although I think it was never expected to be an Antediluvian in there, just a very old vampire...
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Ghanima_Atreides on April 29, 2019, 08:36:44 AM
Really? Several characters (Andrei, Beckett, Jack, Lacroix himself) talk about the possibility of there being one, with various degrees of belief. It's the very reason the Sabbat are supposedly after the sarcophagus, to stop him from rising and bringing about Gehena...
(although in the Sabbat ending Andrei has...other plans...)
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Highwayman667 on April 29, 2019, 11:28:14 AM
I don't play with storytellers and the pen and paper game.  I love the lore and read about it as much as I can, but the only games I play are the PC games.  Anyway, canonically, Tremere diablerized an Antediluvian and became an Antediluvian.  So if that's not how it works, White Wolf played fast and loose with their own rules: https://tinyurl.com/y5mryoek

They diablerized an antediluvian ? As humans or kindred ? If it was the latter, were they another clan before ?

I should probably catch up on my lore.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Ghanima_Atreides on April 29, 2019, 11:56:43 AM
They used the blood from captured Tzimisce in magic potions that turned them into vampires (it's unclear if that originally made them part of the Tzimisce clan, but from my understanding it did not, but rather created a new bloodline by virtue of the magic they infused into the ritual, not quite a clan yet). So they were not Embraced, technically, but they were vampires. Then Tremere diablerized Saulot, the Salubri Antediluvian, and effectively became one himself. Thus the Tremere "graduated" to being a fully-fledged clan.

Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: DarkZephyr on April 29, 2019, 06:51:46 PM
I don't play with storytellers and the pen and paper game.  I love the lore and read about it as much as I can, but the only games I play are the PC games.  Anyway, canonically, Tremere diablerized an Antediluvian and became an Antediluvian.  So if that's not how it works, White Wolf played fast and loose with their own rules: https://tinyurl.com/y5mryoek

They diablerized an antediluvian ? As humans or kindred ? If it was the latter, were they another clan before ?

I should probably catch up on my lore.

They were of the Tremere...bloodline I guess?  As Ghanima points out, they initially became vampires through stolen blood and sorcerous means and then graduated to full clan status after Tremere stole his 3rd Gen status from Saulot.  While this all worked out well for the Tremere clan, in the end it did Tremere himself no favors as Saulot's soul lived on within this shared body and they battled each other for control for centuries, culminating with Saulot's defeat of Tremere, forcing Tremere's soul out of the body and into the bodies of other Kindred, settling permanently in the body of his former lover, Goratrix (he banished Goratrix' soul to a mirror and has full control of his body).  Goratrix, through Diablerie, was 4th Gen, so I don't know if that means Tremere is now 4th Gen or if he somehow retained his 3rd Gen status.  Hopefully someone more informed than I am can tell us. 

It was strongly implied that's what Lacroix was expecting would happen as well. He had godhood aspirations.


(ARGH, I didn't mean to Dislike your post, DarkZephyr! I was trying to click Agree and hit that by accident and now I cannot change it anymore. :/ )

lol No problem.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Nanaloma on April 29, 2019, 09:51:25 PM
I don't play with storytellers and the pen and paper game.  I love the lore and read about it as much as I can, but the only games I play are the PC games.  Anyway, canonically, Tremere diablerized an Antediluvian and became an Antediluvian.  So if that's not how it works, White Wolf played fast and loose with their own rules: https://tinyurl.com/y5mryoek

They diablerized an antediluvian ? As humans or kindred ? If it was the latter, were they another clan before ?

I should probably catch up on my lore.

I thought they used blood magic.

EDIT:  eh, I should probably read all the way down before commenting. 
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Barabbah on April 29, 2019, 11:19:42 PM
(ARGH, I didn't mean to Dislike your post, DarkZephyr! I was trying to click Agree and hit that by accident and now I cannot change it anymore. :/ )

The undo rating button doesn't work?
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Ghanima_Atreides on April 29, 2019, 11:30:00 PM
(ARGH, I didn't mean to Dislike your post, DarkZephyr! I was trying to click Agree and hit that by accident and now I cannot change it anymore. :/ )

The undo rating button doesn't work?


Sorry, I must be having a dumb moment...there's an undo rating button? I cannot find it anywhere.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Highwayman667 on April 30, 2019, 02:09:24 AM
They were of the Tremere...bloodline I guess?  As Ghanima points out, they initially became vampires through stolen blood and sorcerous means and then graduated to full clan status after Tremere stole his 3rd Gen status from Saulot.  While this all worked out well for the Tremere clan, in the end it did Tremere himself no favors as Saulot's soul lived on within this shared body and they battled each other for control for centuries, culminating with Saulot's defeat of Tremere, forcing Tremere's soul out of the body and into the bodies of other Kindred, settling permanently in the body of his former lover, Goratrix (he banished Goratrix' soul to a mirror and has full control of his body).  Goratrix, through Diablerie, was 4th Gen, so I don't know if that means Tremere is now 4th Gen or if he somehow retained his 3rd Gen status.  Hopefully someone more informed than I am can tell us.

How romantic.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: DarkZephyr on April 30, 2019, 02:44:56 AM
They were of the Tremere...bloodline I guess?  As Ghanima points out, they initially became vampires through stolen blood and sorcerous means and then graduated to full clan status after Tremere stole his 3rd Gen status from Saulot.  While this all worked out well for the Tremere clan, in the end it did Tremere himself no favors as Saulot's soul lived on within this shared body and they battled each other for control for centuries, culminating with Saulot's defeat of Tremere, forcing Tremere's soul out of the body and into the bodies of other Kindred, settling permanently in the body of his former lover, Goratrix (he banished Goratrix' soul to a mirror and has full control of his body).  Goratrix, through Diablerie, was 4th Gen, so I don't know if that means Tremere is now 4th Gen or if he somehow retained his 3rd Gen status.  Hopefully someone more informed than I am can tell us.

How romantic.

Right? 

Though to be fair, Goratrix was the one who had long ago betrayed his one time beloved, forming an Antitribu version of the Tremere clan known as "House Goratrix" that was aligned with the Sabbat. Hence his being known as "The Betrayer".   I would say he kind of brought his fate upon himself due to his own actions. 

But yeah, that goes far beyond some messed up Jerry Springer sh**.  lol
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Highwayman667 on April 30, 2019, 05:15:25 AM
Though to be fair, Goratrix was the one who had long ago betrayed his one time beloved, forming an Antitribu version of the Tremere clan known as "House Goratrix" that was aligned with the Sabbat. Hence his being known as "The Betrayer".   I would say he kind of brought his fate upon himself due to his own actions. 

But yeah, that goes far beyond some messed up Jerry Springer sh**.  lol

Damn... this whole thing is giving me an itch to do a Tremere playthrough... might actually do it !

Then again... how could I live without Celerity ?
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: DarkProphet on April 30, 2019, 05:48:21 AM
Though to be fair, Goratrix was the one who had long ago betrayed his one time beloved, forming an Antitribu version of the Tremere clan known as "House Goratrix" that was aligned with the Sabbat. Hence his being known as "The Betrayer".   I would say he kind of brought his fate upon himself due to his own actions. 

But yeah, that goes far beyond some messed up Jerry Springer sh**.  lol

Damn... this whole thing is giving me an itch to do a Tremere playthrough... might actually do it !

Then again... how could I live without Celerity ?

Lulz...you can one-shot any non-boss in the game with Thaumaturgy. Human? Blood Theft. Kindred? Blood Boil. Early/mid-game boss? Blood Purge. It's pretty awesome. :D
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Highwayman667 on April 30, 2019, 05:49:45 AM
Lulz...you can one-shot any non-boss in the game with Thaumaturgy. Human? Blood Theft. Kindred? Blood Boil. Early/mid-game boss? Blood Purge. It's pretty awesome. :D

I did a Tremere playthrough once and I loved it. Still, my Toreador dude is sort of my favorite.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: DarkZephyr on April 30, 2019, 05:50:33 AM
Though to be fair, Goratrix was the one who had long ago betrayed his one time beloved, forming an Antitribu version of the Tremere clan known as "House Goratrix" that was aligned with the Sabbat. Hence his being known as "The Betrayer".   I would say he kind of brought his fate upon himself due to his own actions. 

But yeah, that goes far beyond some messed up Jerry Springer sh**.  lol

Damn... this whole thing is giving me an itch to do a Tremere playthrough... might actually do it !

Then again... how could I live without Celerity ?

There's always "vstats get celerity 5" What's adding ONE itty bitty eensy-weensy extra little discipline?  Lol

Lulz...you can one-shot any non-boss in the game with Thaumaturgy. Human? Blood Theft. Kindred? Blood Boil. Early/mid-game boss? Blood Purge. It's pretty awesome. :D

I did a Tremere playthrough once and I loved it. Still, my Toreador dude is sort of my favorite.

I'm kinda that way about my Ventrue, but I do enjoy an occasional Tremere playthrough. 

I have yet to do a Nosferatu playthrough.  One of these days I need to break down and do it. 
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Highwayman667 on May 01, 2019, 01:59:36 AM
I have yet to do a Nosferatu playthrough.  One of these days I need to break down and do it.

I'm a bit nervous about doing that one because apparently it's not possible to do some quests as a Nosferatu... so serious bummer.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: DarkZephyr on May 01, 2019, 02:09:02 AM
I have yet to do a Nosferatu playthrough.  One of these days I need to break down and do it.

I'm a bit nervous about doing that one because apparently it's not possible to do some quests as a Nosferatu... so serious bummer.

I hope they added new quests to make up for it. 
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: DarkProphet on May 01, 2019, 04:53:06 AM
I have yet to do a Nosferatu playthrough.  One of these days I need to break down and do it.

I'm a bit nervous about doing that one because apparently it's not possible to do some quests as a Nosferatu... so serious bummer.

I have beaten Bloodlines I believe 36 times now. Know how many of those playthroughs are as Nosferatu? Just one. Basically everyone who will talk to you looks really uncomfortable and acts disgusted, while all the rest scream/run/call for help. As someone who loves human/Kindred interaction in the WoD, Nosferatu are a terrible clan for me. For people who are delighted by the sound of what I described, though, then they'll love Nosferatu.
 I just beat the game as Nosferatu once so I could know what it was like, and I am unsure if I'll ever play the game again as one. I'm cringing at the thought of playing as one in Bloodlines 2. =/
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Highwayman667 on May 01, 2019, 07:18:59 PM
I have beaten Bloodlines I believe 36 times now. Know how many of those playthroughs are as Nosferatu? Just one. Basically everyone who will talk to you looks really uncomfortable and acts disgusted, while all the rest scream/run/call for help. As someone who loves human/Kindred interaction in the WoD, Nosferatu are a terrible clan for me. For people who are delighted by the sound of what I described, though, then they'll love Nosferatu.
 I just beat the game as Nosferatu once so I could know what it was like, and I am unsure if I'll ever play the game again as one. I'm cringing at the thought of playing as one in Bloodlines 2. =/

I might try it if you can indeed do every quest.

I mean, there's nothing like being a half-orc in Arcanum, that was a ridiculously amazing experience. Maybe Nosferatu will have some of that.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: DarkProphet on May 01, 2019, 11:26:23 PM
I have beaten Bloodlines I believe 36 times now. Know how many of those playthroughs are as Nosferatu? Just one. Basically everyone who will talk to you looks really uncomfortable and acts disgusted, while all the rest scream/run/call for help. As someone who loves human/Kindred interaction in the WoD, Nosferatu are a terrible clan for me. For people who are delighted by the sound of what I described, though, then they'll love Nosferatu.
 I just beat the game as Nosferatu once so I could know what it was like, and I am unsure if I'll ever play the game again as one. I'm cringing at the thought of playing as one in Bloodlines 2. =/

I might try it if you can indeed do every quest.

I mean, there's nothing like being a half-orc in Arcanum, that was a ridiculously amazing experience. Maybe Nosferatu will have some of that.

I don't recall if you can do EVERY quest or not, but you can at least do almost all of them. When you do the Lily/EE quest, don't talk to the old lady. Just get behind the counter and steal the purse.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Nanaloma on May 02, 2019, 12:31:23 AM
I have yet to do a Nosferatu playthrough.  One of these days I need to break down and do it.

I'm a bit nervous about doing that one because apparently it's not possible to do some quests as a Nosferatu... so serious bummer.

I hope they added new quests to make up for it.

The lost ones are very minor - no hooker for Romero is the only one I can think of and, at one time there was a make up but under the UP, any bloodline can do the find the CD quest.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Highwayman667 on May 02, 2019, 04:09:08 AM
The lost ones are very minor - no hooker for Romero is the only one I can think of and, at one time there was a make up but under the UP, any bloodline can do the find the CD quest.

I can't possibly imagine you can do the Giovanni siblings quest.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Nanaloma on May 03, 2019, 04:33:17 AM
The lost ones are very minor - no hooker for Romero is the only one I can think of and, at one time there was a make up but under the UP, any bloodline can do the find the CD quest.

I can't possibly imagine you can do the Giovanni siblings quest.

Yeah, can't even use the front door.  I didn't think of that one as I've never had the build to be able to do it with other clans.  Some things don't make sense.  I assume there are humans at the anarch bar but a nossie can walk right in.  I used the back entrance anyway just to stay within character.   There are some fun lines - my favorite was in Chinatown. 
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Highwayman667 on May 04, 2019, 12:30:57 AM
Yeah, can't even use the front door.  I didn't think of that one as I've never had the build to be able to do it with other clans.  Some things don't make sense.  I assume there are humans at the anarch bar but a nossie can walk right in.  I used the back entrance anyway just to stay within character.   There are some fun lines - my favorite was in Chinatown.

Hell naw, the Giovanni siblings is a ridiculously sweet quest to pass out on.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Pumma on May 09, 2019, 05:57:09 AM
It was strongly implied that's what Lacroix was expecting would happen as well. He had godhood aspirations.

Although I think it was never expected to be an Antediluvian in there, just a very old vampire...

Not exactly. The thoughts of LaCroix himself:

{   971   }{   The Ankaran Sarcophagus... who sleeps within you? Is it Balthazar? Maybe Lazarus. Or am I to be reunited with Ventrue himself? Or could the anxiety coursing through the city mean that before us slumbers the legendary father of all - Caine himself?   }{   The Ankaran Sarcophagus... who sleeps within you? Is it Balthazar? Maybe Lazarus. Or am I to be reunited with Ventrue himself? Or could the anxiety coursing through the city mean that before us slumbers the legendary father of all - Caine himself?   }{   #   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Highwayman667 on May 09, 2019, 06:30:18 AM
And where did you sir get those ?
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Wesp5 on May 09, 2019, 11:33:41 AM
Although I think it was never expected to be an Antediluvian in there, just a very old vampire...

Not exactly. The thoughts of LaCroix himself:

The Ankaran Sarcophagus... who sleeps within you? Is it Balthazar? Maybe Lazarus. Or am I to be reunited with Ventrue himself? Or could the anxiety coursing through the city mean that before us slumbers the legendary father of all - Caine himself?

Yeah, but this is LaCroix dreaming his dream. There are never any real hints that an Antediluvian is in there and I think if you talk to Beckett and Johansen it becomes very clear! And the anxiety in the city comes from Caine driving a cab around :).
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: fylimar on May 09, 2019, 12:11:42 PM
I have yet to do a Nosferatu playthrough.  One of these days I need to break down and do it.

I'm a bit nervous about doing that one because apparently it's not possible to do some quests as a Nosferatu... so serious bummer.

I have beaten Bloodlines I believe 36 times now. Know how many of those playthroughs are as Nosferatu? Just one. Basically everyone who will talk to you looks really uncomfortable and acts disgusted, while all the rest scream/run/call for help. As someone who loves human/Kindred interaction in the WoD, Nosferatu are a terrible clan for me. For people who are delighted by the sound of what I described, though, then they'll love Nosferatu.
 I just beat the game as Nosferatu once so I could know what it was like, and I am unsure if I'll ever play the game again as one. I'm cringing at the thought of playing as one in Bloodlines 2. =/

What surprised me a bit, when playing a Nosferatu, was the dialogue with Andrei, the Tzimisce. He was surprisingly gentle and told you, that you should never be ashamed of your appearance. Of course he destroyed the nice first impression by attacking you afterwards, but hey, at least someone non-Nosferatu, who was ok with your appearance (and yes, someone like Andrei probably has other standards of beauty, still - a heartwarming moment for our little Nossi...)
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Pumma on May 09, 2019, 07:52:11 PM
And where did you sir get those ?

Isn't it obvious? Game files, prince2.dlg if I want to be more precise.

Although I think it was never expected to be an Antediluvian in there, just a very old vampire...

Not exactly. The thoughts of LaCroix himself:

The Ankaran Sarcophagus... who sleeps within you? Is it Balthazar? Maybe Lazarus. Or am I to be reunited with Ventrue himself? Or could the anxiety coursing through the city mean that before us slumbers the legendary father of all - Caine himself?

Yeah, but this is LaCroix dreaming his dream. There are never any real hints that an Antediluvian is in there and I think if you talk to Beckett and Johansen it becomes very clear! And the anxiety in the city comes from Caine driving a cab around :).

As I understood it the conversation was about what LaCroix hopes for not what he knows or anyone else. Both he and Skelter make wild guess that Caine could be inside the sarcophagus and ironically they were right, but were as we all know that Caine is no more inside the sarcophagus. It's not absolutely clear if he traveled with the sarcophagus or inside the sarcophagus. No one in LA knows what is inside the sarcophagus except Jack and Rosa but Rosa just sees fragments of the future which is a little bit different from knowing. Beckett suspects something as also Pisha and Max but they really don't know anything for sure. Jack makes some vague hints that he knows more than anyone else except Caine and this is the hint about Caine but it's quite vague:

{   1031   }{   Just keeps gettin' more interesting, doesn't it, kiddo? The Giovanni, the Kuei-jin - lots of blood bein' spilled for a 10,000 year old conversation piece, wouldn't ya say?   }{   Just keeps gettin' more interesting, doesn't it, kiddo? The Giovanni, the Kuei-jin - lots of blood bein' spilled for a 10,000 year old conversation piece, wouldn't ya say?   }{   #   }{   }{   G.Jack_Giovanni = 1   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }

There is a specific hint more of riddle in fact for what was and is inside the sarcophagus and for Jack's involvement but it's quite a spoiler so I will not quote it for now. And the hint is not from Jack or Beckett or Johansen.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Wesp5 on May 09, 2019, 10:12:50 PM
There is a specific hint more of riddle in fact for what was and is inside the sarcophagus and for Jack's involvement but it's quite a spoiler so I will not quote it for now. And the hint is not from Jack or Beckett or Johansen.

Just use Spoiler tags, I'm interested to see if you found something new or something already known.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Highwayman667 on May 09, 2019, 11:37:38 PM
Yeah, but this is LaCroix dreaming his dream. There are never any real hints that an Antediluvian is in there and I think if you talk to Beckett and Johansen it becomes very clear! And the anxiety in the city comes from Caine driving a cab around :).

So he should've been driving a limousine ? Or a monster truck ?
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Pumma on May 10, 2019, 06:06:33 AM
There is a specific hint more of riddle in fact for what was and is inside the sarcophagus and for Jack's involvement but it's quite a spoiler so I will not quote it for now. And the hint is not from Jack or Beckett or Johansen.

Just use Spoiler tags, I'm interested to see if you found something new or something already known.

I highly doubt that I am the first one that finds this, more probably I interpret it differently.

{   1222   }{   What do you think is inside of it?   }{   What do you think is inside of it?   }{   1231   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   What secrets lie beneath its lid?   }
{   1223   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }
{   1224   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }
{   1225   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }
{   1226   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }
{   1227   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }
{   1228   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }
{   1229   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }
{   1230   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }
{   1231   }{   I do not know, although I must admit that I sense a change in the night air, something subtle and not altogether pleasant. Perhaps the arrival of the sarcophagus is the harbinger of something more dreadful.   }{   I do not know, although I must admit that I sense a change in the night air, something subtle and not altogether pleasant. Perhaps the arrival of the sarcophagus is the harbinger of something more dreadful.   }{   #   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }
{   1232   }{   Like what?   }{   Like what?   }{   1241   }{   not IsClan(pc,"Malkavian")   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }
{   1233   }{   A dark shadow, a curious hare, and the pillar ablaze in the night sky!   }{   A dark shadow, a curious hare, and the pillar ablaze in the night sky!   }{   1236   }{   IsClan(pc,"Malkavian")   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }
{   1234   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }
{   1235   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }
{   1236   }{   You seem to know more than I about these matters. I pray that your visions don't portend the end of us all.   }{   You seem to know more than I about these matters. I pray that your visions don't portend the end of us all.   }{   #   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }{   }
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Wesp5 on May 10, 2019, 09:26:54 AM
I highly doubt that I am the first one that finds this, more probably I interpret it differently.

Ah, I never noticed this as I never played a Malkavian ;)! Pretty good prediction of some of the endings...
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Highwayman667 on May 12, 2019, 12:33:59 PM
I highly doubt that I am the first one that finds this, more probably I interpret it differently.

Ah, I never noticed this as I never played a Malkavian ;)! Pretty good prediction of some of the endings...

No talking to stop signs or television :O ?
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Wesp5 on May 12, 2019, 09:32:32 PM
No talking to stop signs or television :O ?

Of course I tried these! In fact I played a lot as Malkavian, only no complete playthrough.
Title: Re: New Bloodlines Sequel Teased?
Post by: Highwayman667 on May 12, 2019, 10:41:39 PM
No talking to stop signs or television :O ?

Of course I tried these! In fact I played a lot as Malkavian, only no complete playthrough.

Haven't even touched malks or nossies yet. Got a serious obsession with my Toreador.