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Title: My biggest fear that Bloodlines 2 get leaked
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on April 27, 2020, 04:53:04 pm
Maybe you haven´t heard about this but since today it's really bad to be a The Last of Us Fan because the entire game was leaked online.Thanks god i haven´t be spoiled much but there are major spoiler out there. And because some Internet users who have to be jerks it will be very hard in the coming weeks and months not to be spoiled. And it's absolute terrible for every game with a heavy focus on story telling.
So i can only hope that Bloodlines 2 won´t be leaked months before the release. I don´t want to know the Baron's secret identity before i had the chance to play it by myself. Yeah it sucks to be a The Last of Us 2 fan right now. Please for love of god no big spoilers like the end or who dies. Thank you.  :smile:
Title: Re: My biggest fear that Bloodlines 2 get leaked
Post by: Highwayman667 on April 27, 2020, 05:03:03 pm
So the Baron is supposed to be someone important then.

PLEASE... don't let it be Nines.
Title: Re: My biggest fear that Bloodlines 2 get leaked
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on April 27, 2020, 05:39:59 pm
So the Baron is supposed to be someone important then.

PLEASE... don't let it be Nines.
Why does a guy like Nines need a secret identity to act as Baron? Makes no sense, also if he really wants to be a Baron, well he could be already one in LA.
Title: Re: My biggest fear that Bloodlines 2 get leaked
Post by: Highwayman667 on April 27, 2020, 07:15:14 pm
It makes sense if you're Brian Mitsoda and are thinking of bringing popular characters from the first game. Excuses can come later.

Maybe Nines had to go on the run after the Camarilla tried to wrestle LA after Lacroix lost it ? I honestly don't care too much to dwelve on it because I just wouldn't like Nines to make a return. The only person that comes off the top of my head (if The Baron's identity is supposed to be someone from BL1) would perhaps be Therese or Jeanette. Neither were on a huge position in Santa Monica so it would make a bit of sense that they'd find a new hunting ground in Seattle.
Title: Re: My biggest fear that Bloodlines 2 get leaked
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on April 27, 2020, 07:45:48 pm
It makes sense if you're Brian Mitsoda and are thinking of bringing popular characters from the first game. Excuses can come later.
Maybe Nines had to go on the run after the Camarilla tried to wrestle LA after Lacroix lost it ?
Have you ever read the Baron´s description?
https://vtmb.fandom.com/wiki/The_Baron (https://vtmb.fandom.com/wiki/The_Baron)
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I honestly don't care too much to dwelve on it because I just wouldn't like Nines to make a return.
It really shows but sorry this isn´t real spoiler (well its from an official trailer so its open for speculations) and i mentioned this severall times in the returning character thread already so whats the point in playing stupid. I believe that if you stop the extended trailer at 0:13-0:16 the shown person is Nines.(https://forums.planetvampire.com/bloodlines-2-general-discussion/returning-bloodlines-1-characters-speculation/?action=dlattach;attach=3725;image)
Title: Re: My biggest fear that Bloodlines 2 get leaked
Post by: Highwayman667 on April 27, 2020, 08:01:44 pm
PLS NOOOOO... let that just be someone that looks like him  :facepalm: !

Whatever tho... I guess if Mitsoda's bringing him back it's with good reason *sigh*
Title: Re: My biggest fear that Bloodlines 2 get leaked
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on April 27, 2020, 08:12:42 pm
PLS NOOOOO... let that just be someone that looks like him  :facepalm: !
Of course it doesn´t 100% same as in Bl1 because of the newer & different Engine. Also his design is slightly different.
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/24/8c/c6/248cc66eb206c37c95b21e7e7d0b0bd2.png)
It has to be Nines because what´s the point the having a new NPC who looks that similar to a previous one?

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Whatever tho... I guess if Mitsoda's bringing him back it's with good reason *sigh*
This is likely the case or he simply likes Nines. Nines isn´t my favourite Bl1 character but i also don´t hate him. So i am looking forward what his story would be like.
Title: Re: My biggest fear that Bloodlines 2 get leaked
Post by: Wesp5 on April 27, 2020, 09:11:30 pm
It has to be Nines because what´s the point the having a new NPC who looks that similar to a previous one?
Why should that random guy be Nines? He has nothing in common except for short cut hair and a bracelet. I don't even see the typical beard!
Title: Re: My biggest fear that Bloodlines 2 get leaked
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on April 27, 2020, 09:23:10 pm
Why should that random guy be Nines? He has nothing in common except for short cut hair and a bracelet. I don't even see the typical beard!
First the two bracelets and the blue jacket even with more cloth looks similiar to the one in Bl1. Speaking of the beard its hard to see but i think he has one.

Title: Re: My biggest fear that Bloodlines 2 get leaked
Post by: Nanaloma on April 27, 2020, 11:43:30 pm
Baron Jack.  :)
Title: Re: My biggest fear that Bloodlines 2 get leaked
Post by: Highwayman667 on April 27, 2020, 11:48:51 pm
I can't imagine Jack as the Baron. He says it pretty clearly in the first game that he's not one for leadership, unless something has changed.
Title: Re: My biggest fear that Bloodlines 2 get leaked
Post by: fylimar on April 28, 2020, 10:41:09 am
Why should Nines be in Seattle? He is so involved in keeping California an Anarch free state, he wouldn't just leave the cause. I agree with Wesp, that guy could be anybody. If I remember correctly, Outstar addressed him in one of her videos and she was the opinion, he might be another thinblood.
Title: Re: My biggest fear that Bloodlines 2 get leaked
Post by: DarkProphet on April 28, 2020, 10:42:57 am
Why should Nines be in Seattle? He is so involved in keeping California an Anarch free state, he wouldn't just leave the cause. I agree with Wesp, that guy could be anybody. If I remember correctly, Outstar addressed him in one of her videos and she was the opinion, he might be another thinblood.



L.A. By Night is considered canon, and Nines is currently in L.A. He has expressed zero interest in leaving or not wanting to be in L.A.
Title: Re: My biggest fear that Bloodlines 2 get leaked
Post by: fylimar on April 28, 2020, 11:08:18 am
Why should Nines be in Seattle? He is so involved in keeping California an Anarch free state, he wouldn't just leave the cause. I agree with Wesp, that guy could be anybody. If I remember correctly, Outstar addressed him in one of her videos and she was the opinion, he might be another thinblood.



L.A. By Night is considered canon, and Nines is currently in L.A. He has expressed zero interest in leaving or not wanting to be in L.A.
Exactly my point. He has no interest in being anywhere else.
Title: Re: My biggest fear that Bloodlines 2 get leaked
Post by: DarkProphet on April 28, 2020, 11:34:30 am
Why should Nines be in Seattle? He is so involved in keeping California an Anarch free state, he wouldn't just leave the cause. I agree with Wesp, that guy could be anybody. If I remember correctly, Outstar addressed him in one of her videos and she was the opinion, he might be another thinblood.



L.A. By Night is considered canon, and Nines is currently in L.A. He has expressed zero interest in leaving or not wanting to be in L.A.
Exactly my point. He has no interest in being anywhere else.




Agreed. Further supporting evidence is the Vein Pursuit campaign, which featured Outstar, Florian, Karim, and others. Karim is basically the lore overlord for the World of Darkness. His job, as per the video that went up on the WoD channel on YouTube a few hours ago, is making sure that everything is in line with the lore and background, etc. For instance, making sure that no one says Beckett is a Lasombra in their creation (this was given as an example in the video). Karim runs the Vein Pursuit TTRPG campaign, which is also canon, and the characters travel far from L.A. on an important mission for Nines Rodriguez. He doesn't go do it himself. This is yet more evidence that the dude is planted in L.A. Anyone thinking otherwise hasn't watched L.A. By Night or Vein Pursuit, and if they had, they would know he isn't leaving any time soon.
Title: Re: My biggest fear that Bloodlines 2 get leaked
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on April 28, 2020, 01:11:52 pm
Agreed. Further supporting evidence is the Vein Pursuit campaign, which featured Outstar, Florian, Karim, and others.
Speaking of Vein Pursuit didn´t they established in some of their videos that the big Brujah biker is a rival to Nines and has attacked his  couriers?(https://i.imgur.com/27T8kU3.jpg)
I remember reading something about this in the RPG Codex but i don´t know where the quote was.So this guy could be reason why Nines himself is in Seattle to stop the Biker for likely killing Nines couriers.
And some gaming websites have writen stuff like this:  "I also asked if we might see some familiar faces, because it took three seconds for me to convince myself that a blurry silhouette I glimpsed for half a moment was Nines Rodriguez. “https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2019/03/22/vampire-the-masquerade-bloodlines-2-preview/ (https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2019/03/22/vampire-the-masquerade-bloodlines-2-preview/)
Title: Re: My biggest fear that Bloodlines 2 get leaked
Post by: fylimar on April 28, 2020, 01:58:53 pm
If the canon established, that Nines never left L.A., then that figure probably isn't Nines. To make up some reasons, why he should be in Seattle doesn't change that fact.
I don't think, the devs would ignore the canon like that.
Title: Re: My biggest fear that Bloodlines 2 get leaked
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on April 28, 2020, 02:16:30 pm
If the canon established, that Nines never left L.A., then that figure probably isn't Nines. To make up some reasons, why he should be in Seattle doesn't change that fact.
Never say never again.  :vampwink: We don´t know the overall Bloodlines 2 and the Brujah Biker story seems plausible.

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I don't think, the devs would ignore the canon like that.
I believe that they work together and give Brian Mitsoda plenty of rope to let him tell his story. Yes White Wolf / Paradox owns WoD but Mitsoda created most original Bloodlines 1 characters so they find a way for every character that Mitsoda wants to return in Bloodlines 2. This also includes Nines.
Title: Re: My biggest fear that Bloodlines 2 get leaked
Post by: Wesp5 on April 28, 2020, 05:36:20 pm
So do we know who the courier from Nines was?
Title: Re: My biggest fear that Bloodlines 2 get leaked
Post by: Nanaloma on April 28, 2020, 11:31:07 pm
White Wolf changes canon as often as people change their underwear. 
Title: Re: My biggest fear that Bloodlines 2 get leaked
Post by: DarkProphet on April 29, 2020, 02:48:14 pm
So do we know who the courier from Nines was?



Damsel. I just finished watching the final episode of Vein Pursuit, and though no name is stated, the courier is described as a woman shouting profanities at a car she's trying to start, and she has "bright red hair" and is wearing a beret. Outstar's face was basically awesomeface.jpg at that reveal.


The Brujah biker guy - assuming it's him - is described as looking like he weighs 250 lbs in his mass in the last episode, and he goes by "Camouflage." It's entirely possible that it's a code name he's using and not his real name (or the name he'll go by in Bloodlines 2).
Title: Re: My biggest fear that Bloodlines 2 get leaked
Post by: Wesp5 on April 29, 2020, 05:46:05 pm
So do we know who the courier from Nines was?

Damsel. I just finished watching the final episode of Vein Pursuit, and though no name is stated, the courier is described as a woman shouting profanities at a car she's trying to start, and she has "bright red hair" and is wearing a beret.
If the courier was Damsel and she arrived in Seattle just fine, what should Nines do there? I'm pretty sure they won't just copy all the Bloodlines anarchs!
Title: Re: My biggest fear that Bloodlines 2 get leaked
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on April 29, 2020, 06:01:18 pm
If the courier was Damsel and she arrived in Seattle just fine, what should Nines do there? I'm pretty sure they won't just copy all the Bloodlines anarchs!
First we don´t if see Damsel in Bloodlines 2. Lets assume we will see her that doesn´t rule out Nines.
Maybe Damsel is just a distraction or Nines doesn´t want to lose Damsel to this guy so he watch over her.
But you are right it doesn´t seem likely that they bring all Anarchs back. So Skelter has to stay home in LA.
If the courier story is just minor in Bloodlines 2 well i guess its just Damsel.
Title: Re: My biggest fear that Bloodlines 2 get leaked
Post by: Highwayman667 on April 29, 2020, 08:30:19 pm
Now Damsel is someone who would be a lot of fun to have again !
Title: Re: My biggest fear that Bloodlines 2 get leaked
Post by: DarkProphet on April 29, 2020, 09:37:26 pm
Now Damsel is someone who would be a lot of fun to have again !



"Bitchy tomboy" was a fun persona. If they write well for her, I'd love to have her aboard again. Having her in the Vein Pursuit campaign doesn't guarantee that she'll still be in Seattle when we play, or that we'll even come across her, but it would be silly not to. She's a very memorable character from Bloodlines and is visually striking with her red hair, potty mouth, and beret, so it would make sense to put her in Bloodlines 2 since she'd be easy to update to modern graphics and be recognizable to fans, even if they drastically change her face and clothes (other than the hat).


Also, at no point in L.A. By Night has Damsel made an appearance, even in The Last Round, so she isn't tied down there and won't need to be back to make any appearances any time soon, as far as we know.



Title: Re: My biggest fear that Bloodlines 2 get leaked
Post by: fylimar on April 29, 2020, 10:28:18 pm
I agree, Damsel would make a great addition to Bloodlines 2. And judging from the fact, that she is already in Seattle, makes much more sense than Nines.
Title: Re: My biggest fear that Bloodlines 2 get leaked
Post by: Highwayman667 on April 30, 2020, 12:04:08 am
DEATH TO NINES !!!

Well I can't care much, I'll be happy to see even Lacroix again in BL2 because... it's BL2.

But I do wonder what the plans are right now. The health crisis is raging all over and I'm honestly wondering if that might have an effect on the publicity and development of the game. If this thing goes towards June then we might not even have an E3 convention.
Title: Re: My biggest fear that Bloodlines 2 get leaked
Post by: DarkProphet on April 30, 2020, 12:29:56 am
DEATH TO NINES !!!

Well I can't care much, I'll be happy to see even Lacroix again in BL2 because... it's BL2.

But I do wonder what the plans are right now. The health crisis is raging all over and I'm honestly wondering if that might have an effect on the publicity and development of the game. If this thing goes towards June then we might not even have an E3 convention.



Haha, Lacroix definitely won't be back, though "Prince Cross" is in it, which is cute since Lacroix meant "Cross." As for the health crisis, however, the Bloodlines 2 website states they're all working from home. They got their mocap stuff done, apparently, so they aren't indicating any slow-downs or problems. They just say they miss each other, basically.


As for E3, so what? YouTube and social media is all these devs need to deliver digital announcements and footage of stuff, really. Heck, they can just send their crap to all the news outlets and get it released in multiple videos from multiple sources. E3 isn't very good these days anyway.
Title: Re: My biggest fear that Bloodlines 2 get leaked
Post by: Highwayman667 on April 30, 2020, 01:18:14 am
What if Cross... is actually Lacroix ? Huh ? HUH  :chinscratch: ??!!
Title: Re: My biggest fear that Bloodlines 2 get leaked
Post by: DarkProphet on April 30, 2020, 01:31:22 am
What if Cross... is actually Lacroix ? Huh ? HUH  :chinscratch: ??!!



Ha, we'll have to grab him by the head and yank that Scooby Doo mask right off! Assuming the Sheriff doesn't grab US by the head and just yank our skulls off!
Title: Re: My biggest fear that Bloodlines 2 get leaked
Post by: Highwayman667 on April 30, 2020, 01:42:45 am
I might end up doing something like that, considering I'm very interested in joining The Pioneers ! Nothing like Toreador underdogs to show it to those pesky Ventrue basterds !
Title: Re: My biggest fear that Bloodlines 2 get leaked
Post by: DarkProphet on April 30, 2020, 03:05:18 am
I might end up doing something like that, considering I'm very interested in joining The Pioneers ! Nothing like Toreador underdogs to show it to those pesky Ventrue basterds !



Most of the groups sounds pretty interesting. What I would like to see is each group having a competent and likable leader. In Bloodlines 1, Lacroix is such a sketchy bitch who has very little charisma for a Ventrue, Ming-Xiao just looks like an asshole and does nothing to build trust despite being of a group whispered of as being monsters you can't trust, and Nines is grouchy but does no wrong and is a really swell guy. There is no competition for which one you should go with if you value your unlife and don't want to support a prick (unless you go independent, of course).


The Anarchs have serious weaknesses, just as the Camarilla does, and Bloodlines 1 did a poor job of illustrating those two factions in that regard since it makes Anarchs objectively better, and by a long shot.
Title: Re: My biggest fear that Bloodlines 2 get leaked
Post by: fylimar on April 30, 2020, 08:23:31 am
You could choose Strauss, who was kind of decent, if you don't want to go down the Anarchs road.
But yeah, they do shove the Anarchs as the only solution in your face with Jack teaching you, Nines saving you...

Title: Re: My biggest fear that Bloodlines 2 get leaked
Post by: DarkProphet on April 30, 2020, 10:52:41 am
You could choose Strauss, who was kind of decent, if you don't want to go down the Anarchs road.
But yeah, they do shove the Anarchs as the only solution in your face with Jack teaching you, Nines saving you...



Oh! Wow, I can't believe I forgot about Strauss. Thanks. He's so important in L.A. By Night, too, so yeah, that's strange that he slipped my mind. I suppose it's because he's not the leader of the Camarilla. Strauss is actually a little bit scary in L.A. By Night; probably because the cast are openly Anarchs.
Title: Re: My biggest fear that Bloodlines 2 get leaked
Post by: Highwayman667 on April 30, 2020, 03:25:11 pm
The thing about BL1 though was that no matter what you chose, you were somebody's pawn. If you chose Strauss' Camarilla would you be twice as pawn ? To Cain and to Strauss ? To the Tremere as well ?
Title: Re: My biggest fear that Bloodlines 2 get leaked
Post by: DarkProphet on April 30, 2020, 04:01:15 pm
The thing about BL1 though was that no matter what you chose, you were somebody's pawn. If you chose Strauss' Camarilla would you be twice as pawn ? To Cain and to Strauss ? To the Tremere as well ?



Yeah, and that's a pretty darn good representation of Vampire the Masquerade; even of the TTRPG.
Title: Re: My biggest fear that Bloodlines 2 get leaked
Post by: Nanaloma on April 30, 2020, 10:07:53 pm
Just like in real life!
Title: Re: My biggest fear that Bloodlines 2 get leaked
Post by: Erilaz on May 02, 2020, 12:35:25 am
the Baron's secret identity
THE Baron? :thonk:
Imagine it's Baron Samedi :cometome:
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