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Re: I'm kinda bummed that they got rid of the late 90s early 00s "feel"
« Reply #15 on: April 20, 2020, 08:38:13 PM »
I only find it funny how everyone expects that kindred would be comfortable or super skilled in all the new technologies, despite the fact that they are not keen on changing and are prepared to resist it by all means necessary. Access to information by the young blood is a threat to their power, hence control or elimination of the said tech would be the only recourse they have.


By extension, that is why I find the "contemporary" era a bit dull and it has the potential to douse the atmosphere. Also, I can't imagine a kindred reading his notifications and feed, having his social media account and getting likes. It destroys the mood.


Also, what would he do if his account gets hacked? Roll will saves.


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Re: I'm kinda bummed that they got rid of the late 90s early 00s "feel"
« Reply #16 on: April 20, 2020, 09:16:01 PM »
@Raving_Neonate: I'm pretty sure it would be a masquerade violation to have a public persona via social media. Maybe these rules need to be clarified but some just seem a bit common sense.

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Re: I'm kinda bummed that they got rid of the late 90s early 00s "feel"
« Reply #17 on: April 20, 2020, 10:02:54 PM »
@Raving_Neonate: I'm pretty sure it would be a masquerade violation to have a public persona via social media. Maybe these rules need to be clarified but some just seem a bit common sense.



It's a gray area, but largely frowned upon. Several of the L.A. By Night player characters have social media presences. A Ventrue in the group livestreams while out on missions to his advantage. He has look-alikes who walk out in public for him occasionally, just to get spotted and have their pictures taken, etc., so that people won't be like "Heeeey, why don't I see him during the day?"


The big problem comes in about 10 years when "Oh, I'm rich so I always look good" starts to wear off. If we lived in the WoD, Tom Cruise would've been suspected and interrogated by Hunters by now. It's not a direct Masquerade violation because the Kindred could always just stop all social appearances to be a name for a few more decades, and eventually drop the name entirely and operate through pawns, etc.


But I agree that it's an awful idea for the most part. Heck, I'm against using social media for myself IRL, even, and I'm neither a criminal nor anyone special who needs to avoid notice for any special reasons.

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Re: I'm kinda bummed that they got rid of the late 90s early 00s "feel"
« Reply #18 on: April 21, 2020, 06:54:50 AM »
I agree with your statement DarkProphet, though I am puzzled at the kindred's response to social media and its wide reach/implication. From the books I read set in WoD, I could narrow vampires' responses to new things to two particular responses: control or destruction.

To control social media would be a whole lot difficult while their destruction would also be next to impossible. Since everything on the internet is basically immortal, the implications of that fact alone would be an enormous risk to the masquerade - the question of age or occupation would be easily brought up. Let's not forget that other factions could use SM, so hunters would have a field day with the amount of kindred they would have staked. I think that changelings/werewolves could do something similar, but I am not too much familiar with their lore to assume that.


The kindred should abandon social media in my opinion, since it would require considerable effort and assets to maintain an active cover over them. The Cam would need a special task force and the other sects would have some kind of a response to anything that would emerge... I don't think that Sabbath would give a damn and this would make them a liability, provoking an all out war before long or at least some major conflict.


The social media has an ability to distract, but that would be just a reliance onto chance. The SM can also connect and damage, two factors that can easily destroy the kindred with their limited responses.


That is why I think that the modern era is a mistake. Aside from some other problems I have with the new game, this can prove to be the fatal one since it can obstruct the entire plot in spite of who writes it.



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Re: I'm kinda bummed that they got rid of the late 90s early 00s "feel"
« Reply #19 on: April 21, 2020, 11:09:23 AM »
That is why I think that the modern era is a mistake. Aside from some other problems I have with the new game, this can prove to be the fatal one since it can obstruct the entire plot in spite of who writes it.
I don't think Kindred would have any problems controlling social media! Ever heard of Fake News and how Trump and the Russians manipulated the US election?

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Re: I'm kinda bummed that they got rid of the late 90s early 00s "feel"
« Reply #20 on: April 21, 2020, 11:32:40 AM »
Contemporary politics aside, I just said that it would require tremendous effort to control if the elders overcome their fear of change. To instigate one or two scandals is easy as well as their mending, but to control everything is a wholly new level of everyday commitment that someone will have to pay and control. I do not think personally that the kindred would be capable of such an unity unless threatened directly.


Those are the reason why I said that they should abandon them, because they do not have a consensus on a long-term solution. Cam can come up with a sort of unified view on it due its hierarchy while the Anarchs and the Sabbath are another story due their obvious direct approach methods and the lack of a clear centralized leadership or something that can serve in that capacity. They are so individualistic/split apart that an unified front is impossible.


 
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Re: I'm kinda bummed that they got rid of the late 90s early 00s "feel"
« Reply #21 on: April 21, 2020, 02:41:55 PM »
Contemporary politics aside, I just said that it would require tremendous effort to control if the elders overcome their fear of change. To instigate one or two scandals is easy as well as their mending, but to control everything is a wholly new level of everyday commitment that someone will have to pay and control. I do not think personally that the kindred would be capable of such an unity unless threatened directly.


Those are the reason why I said that they should abandon them, because they do not have a consensus on a long-term solution. Cam can come up with a sort of unified view on it due its hierarchy while the Anarchs and the Sabbath are another story due their obvious direct approach methods and the lack of a clear centralized leadership or something that can serve in that capacity. They are so individualistic/split apart that an unified front is impossible.



Wesp's sentiment that fake news can be used by the Camarilla to manipulate people into believing flagrantly false things and putting the writer's spin on what really happened to keep the public stupid and ignorant about Kindred *is* valid. However, I think that should be a last measure; a means of damage control to lessen the blow when something bad happens that risks the safety of Kindred.


So I agree with you that Kindred oughtn't use social media on themselves at all, unless one has some brilliant, fool-proof scheme that would account for the perceived flaws in using it. Then if some idiot fledgling or neonate starts using social media and eventually becomes a risk to Kindred, the Camarilla will need to have him/her killed and use any means of cleaning up the digital mess, such as fake news, social media control (via ownership of the site, etc.), and so forth.


Oh, and changelings would haaaaaaate social media. The basis of Changeling is that one day, you were abducted from the mortal world, taken to some fantastical land of faeries (the Fae), but they are NOT nice. In fact, it's like a murder-porn sadist field day over there. There are something like 20 of them, all of whom have specific personalities with little variations depending on the form they take (yes, they can look like different people they invent, etc., but with little "hints" as to who they are, such as wearing certain colors or articles of clothing, and having certain behaviors. Anyway, I could go on, but to make things short, the Changeling escapes from this hellscape...and the particular Fae who "owned" him/her wants the Changeling back. The Fae live forever, are INCREDIBLY hard to kill, have reality-altering powers, and can either come after you themselves or send servants to drag you back. So if you're on social media going "Dude! Bro! Check me out at Starbucks on 1st Street in New York City 5 minutes ago, bro!!! Woooo!" you might be getting dragged into a portal in Central Park a few hours later by some strong shirtless dude with a deer skull for a head.


Werewolves, I'm not too sure about. They like being in hippie gatherings in the woods and nature, but some dabble with tech. I suppose the question becomes: is social media and the "web" viewed as a machination/construct of the Weaver, this thing they say has become corrupted and furthers the agenda of the Wyrm. Yeah. Werewolf is some confusing shit that I wish a good (emphasis on GOOD) game would come out to represent so I could enjoy and better understand it. That game in the making gives me some "bad vibes."

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Re: I'm kinda bummed that they got rid of the late 90s early 00s "feel"
« Reply #22 on: April 21, 2020, 08:54:15 PM »
That is why I think that the modern era is a mistake. Aside from some other problems I have with the new game, this can prove to be the fatal one since it can obstruct the entire plot in spite of who writes it.
I don't think Kindred would have any problems controlling social media! Ever heard of Fake News and how Trump and the Russians manipulated the US election?

Now Wesp5 is doing fake news!   :)
His point is, however, valid. 
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Re: I'm kinda bummed that they got rid of the late 90s early 00s "feel"
« Reply #23 on: April 22, 2020, 12:49:18 AM »
That is why I think that the modern era is a mistake. Aside from some other problems I have with the new game, this can prove to be the fatal one since it can obstruct the entire plot in spite of who writes it.
I don't think Kindred would have any problems controlling social media! Ever heard of Fake News and how Trump and the Russians manipulated the US election?

Now Wesp5 is doing fake news!   :)
His point is, however, valid. 

That is why I think that the modern era is a mistake. Aside from some other problems I have with the new game, this can prove to be the fatal one since it can obstruct the entire plot in spite of who writes it.
I don't think Kindred would have any problems controlling social media! Ever heard of Fake News and how Trump and the Russians manipulated the US election?

Now Wesp5 is doing fake news!   :)
His point is, however, valid. 




Yeah, I noticed what Wesp said, but in the interest of staying gaming-focused I didn't say anything about that specific item.  :razz:

 

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