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Re: Dialogue and Music in Bloodlines 2 Trailer is ... Terrible
« Reply #45 on: June 18, 2019, 03:54:39 AM »
We see the same thing pretty often with LGBTQWTFBBQAARPWXYZ characters.

This is precisely where you lose the argument. Because it's not difficult to remember it's LGBTQI if you take the issue seriously.

If you don't, then you can now understand why SJW's aren't really as bad as intolerant, bigoted people, make them out to be.

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Re: Dialogue and Music in Bloodlines 2 Trailer is ... Terrible
« Reply #46 on: June 18, 2019, 04:08:21 AM »
We see the same thing pretty often with LGBTQWTFBBQAARPWXYZ characters.

This is precisely where you lose the argument. Because it's not difficult to remember it's LGBTQI if you take the issue seriously.

If you don't, then you can now understand why SJW's aren't really as bad as intolerant, bigoted people, make them out to be.

Explain. You said you wanted tons of Trump jokes in Bloodlines 2, even if it tanks the game, to make people aware of "the truth" so you CLEARLY don't consider stupid jokes to be losing the argument.

As such...you've failed to show how my stupid joke makes me lose the argument since you wholeheartedly support stupid political jokes for your own agenda. Bring on the non-hypocritical logic. :D

Also! You've just admitted to not taking "the issue" at hand seriously! Read it and weep: "The initialism LGBTTQQIAAP (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, transsexual, queer, questioning, intersex, asexual, ally, pansexual) has also resulted, although such initialisms are sometimes criticized for being confusing and leaving some people out, as well as issues of placement of the letters within the new title.
LGBT - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT "

If you follow the link to the "less confusing" version, it flips the order of the last "I" and "Q" that you presented, so you're still incorrect. Way to dis them, you monster.

So yeah, you failed the acronym yourself while attempting to be completely serious and turned my little joke into a victory lap for myself since it's a confusing mess that even you can't keep straight (pun!). Booyah.
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Re: Dialogue and Music in Bloodlines 2 Trailer is ... Terrible
« Reply #47 on: June 18, 2019, 05:27:05 AM »
I must have not seen all the footage you have seen though, because I haven't heard the deep manly voices on women yet.  Does it sound like they accidentally mixed up the soundfiles or are these women with very husky voices?

Edit:  So I went back and looked and LOL yeah those sound like mixed up soundfiles.  LOL  Woman says "Oh God!" in not just a deep voice, but literally a man's voice.  LOL

Outstar seems to think that was *not* a bug, but rather *intentional*... as they are making the game inclusive of transgender/non-binary people in the character creation. *I* am inclined to think it's a bug, but... who knows these days, ha.

I truly doubt its intentional because that would super offend trans people to the absolute max.  lol

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Anders was a well-written and enjoyable character until his sexuality became one of the most important things about him, at which point he was whiny, despicable, and way too clingy. Even having the Spirit of Justice in him couldn't make him likable, cool, or interesting despite him being super awesome in Dragon Age Awakenings.

I think they just wrote him that way and his obsession with "The Plight of the Mages" is what made him that way.  Not the fact that he might date a male Hawke.  I think he would have had the same annoying character flaws if he had just been straight. 

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« Reply #48 on: June 18, 2019, 05:40:32 AM »
I truly doubt its intentional because that would super offend trans people to the absolute max.  lol

Exactly. I mean I would laugh my ass off for like five minutes upon encountering that in the game if it were intended, and then afterward I would just be annoyed by it because it has no place in this game. Now if Borderlands wasn't quite so woke, it would be the kinda joke that would be funny once or twice in that series on a quest, and you never hear/see it again on a playthrough.

However, in a Bloodlines game, the comedy should be generally clever and subtle, with a few kooky NPC dialogs that go to extremes...though nothing that far. Unlike Highwayman, though the joke would be fun lulz for "my side," having that joke would sully a game like Bloodlines and I can't abide by that.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but Anders was a well-written and enjoyable character until his sexuality became one of the most important things about him, at which point he was whiny, despicable, and way too clingy. Even having the Spirit of Justice in him couldn't make him likable, cool, or interesting despite him being super awesome in Dragon Age Awakenings.

I think they just wrote him that way and his obsession with "The Plight of the Mages" is what made him that way.  Not the fact that he might date a male Hawke.  I think he would have had the same annoying character flaws if he had just been straight.

I suppose so. I just never got to see the side of him with a female Hawke. Was he that whiny of a bitch with the ladies, too? If so, eww. It's hard to envision, but wow...what a sissy...and he's supposed to be surviving in the fucked up world of Ferelden? Hard to swallow. =/
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Re: Dialogue and Music in Bloodlines 2 Trailer is ... Terrible
« Reply #49 on: June 18, 2019, 05:44:31 AM »
I truly doubt its intentional because that would super offend trans people to the absolute max.  lol

Exactly. I mean I would laugh my ass off for like five minutes upon encountering that in the game if it were intended, and then afterward I would just be annoyed by it because it has no place in this game. Now if Borderlands wasn't quite so woke, it would be the kinda joke that would be funny once or twice in that series on a quest, and you never hear/see it again on a playthrough.

However, in a Bloodlines game, the comedy should be generally clever and subtle, with a few kooky NPC dialogs that go to extremes...though nothing that far. Unlike Highwayman, though the joke would be fun lulz for "my side," having that joke would sully a game like Bloodlines and I can't abide by that.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but Anders was a well-written and enjoyable character until his sexuality became one of the most important things about him, at which point he was whiny, despicable, and way too clingy. Even having the Spirit of Justice in him couldn't make him likable, cool, or interesting despite him being super awesome in Dragon Age Awakenings.

I think they just wrote him that way and his obsession with "The Plight of the Mages" is what made him that way.  Not the fact that he might date a male Hawke.  I think he would have had the same annoying character flaws if he had just been straight.

I suppose so. I just never got to see the side of him with a female Hawke. Was he that whiny of a bitch with the ladies, too? If so, eww. It's hard to envision, but wow...what a sissy...and he's supposed to be surviving in the fucked up world of Ferelden? Hard to swallow. =/

He was indeed.  In fact he was that whiny whether your PC romanced him or not. 

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Re: Dialogue and Music in Bloodlines 2 Trailer is ... Terrible
« Reply #50 on: June 18, 2019, 05:48:27 AM »
He was indeed.  In fact he was that whiny whether your PC romanced him or not.

Wow, I had no idea! I always imagined he was just whiny because I had been flirting with him and trying to make him train to use male Hawke's mage's staff.

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Re: Dialogue and Music in Bloodlines 2 Trailer is ... Terrible
« Reply #51 on: June 18, 2019, 06:01:08 AM »
He was indeed.  In fact he was that whiny whether your PC romanced him or not.

Wow, I had no idea! I always imagined he was just whiny because I had been flirting with him and trying to make him train to use male Hawke's mage's staff.

Training him to use male Hawke's staff was certainly a lot easier than it was to get Fenris to let male or female Hawk polish his sword. 

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« Reply #52 on: June 18, 2019, 06:05:30 AM »
He was indeed.  In fact he was that whiny whether your PC romanced him or not.

Wow, I had no idea! I always imagined he was just whiny because I had been flirting with him and trying to make him train to use male Hawke's mage's staff.

Training him to use male Hawke's staff was certainly a lot easier than it was to get Fenris to let male Hawk polish his sword.

Pretty sure he was ready to start polishin' on mine, but I ended up going with the anemic Irish-Welsh weirdo elf girl who seemed kinda nice but then did some questionable and dickish stuff later in the game, as I recall. I can't say I was too satisfied with the romance. And Isabela just kinda seemed like a slut without much else to like about her. Sure, Zevran is a slut, too, but that dude has got STYLE. After he's done being bent over a barrel by male Hawke, we can kill some darkspawn together and brofist before he whispers something in his Spanish accent in my ear to make me giggle masculinely and follow up with telling my group how super straight I am.

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Re: Dialogue and Music in Bloodlines 2 Trailer is ... Terrible
« Reply #53 on: June 18, 2019, 12:58:48 PM »
He was indeed.  In fact he was that whiny whether your PC romanced him or not.

Wow, I had no idea! I always imagined he was just whiny because I had been flirting with him and trying to make him train to use male Hawke's mage's staff.

Training him to use male Hawke's staff was certainly a lot easier than it was to get Fenris to let male Hawk polish his sword.

Pretty sure he was ready to start polishin' on mine, but I ended up going with the anemic Irish-Welsh weirdo elf girl who seemed kinda nice but then did some questionable and dickish stuff later in the game, as I recall. I can't say I was too satisfied with the romance. And Isabela just kinda seemed like a slut without much else to like about her. Sure, Zevran is a slut, too, but that dude has got STYLE. After he's done being bent over a barrel by male Hawke, we can kill some darkspawn together and brofist before he whispers something in his Spanish accent in my ear to make me giggle masculinely and follow up with telling my group how super straight I am.

lol

Fenris can be a little flirtatious at first, but getting him to romance you is haaard.  Fun romance overall though.  My least favorite romance (that I have actually experienced, I haven't done Isabella or Merrill), is Sebastian.  My Fem Hawke fell for his self righteous ass and now she's stuck never getting any dick because their relationship is a 'love with no sex" thing because he took a lame vow. I really wanted to like Sebastian, the whole "prince" thing sounded so promising. 

As for Isabella herself, I like her.  She kicks ass and she's honest about being a hedonist.  I see her as a woman who is honest about what she wants, and who then goes after it.  I don't regard sex as a bad thing, so I don't really see her as a slut, although Aveline sure does.  lol.  "Shut up, whore!"  lol

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Re: Dialogue and Music in Bloodlines 2 Trailer is ... Terrible
« Reply #54 on: June 18, 2019, 05:24:52 PM »
Well, as I recall in BL1, the 20 first minutes are so so... except some fantastics lines with Smiling Trolling Jack, well... there is not that much memorable dialogues.
Mercurio ? Knox ? Heather Poe ? meh...

In my very first playthrough, I didn't meet Jeanette until 1-2 hours or so. I did a lot of side quests before meeting her. You could just go to the Asylum and meet her as soon as you finish the tutorial, but the game directs you to meet Mercurio and do the surf's up quest first and that's what I did the first time...

So... I wouldn't be too hasty to judge badly BL2's dialogues.
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« Reply #55 on: June 18, 2019, 10:36:00 PM »
Well, as I recall in BL1, the 20 first minutes are so so... except some fantastics lines with Smiling Trolling Jack, well... there is not that much memorable dialogues.
Mercurio ? Knox ? Heather Poe ? meh...

In my very first playthrough, I didn't meet Jeanette until 1-2 hours or so. I did a lot of side quests before meeting her. You could just go to the Asylum and meet her as soon as you finish the tutorial, but the game directs you to meet Mercurio and do the surf's up quest first and that's what I did the first time...

So... I wouldn't be too hasty to judge badly BL2's dialogues.

The ability of the player to go do a variety of quests from the get-go and prioritize based on your build/current XP, etc., is one of the things I like about stuff like Bloodlines and Deus Ex Human Revolution.

I wonder how far into the game we'll be able to play as Thinbloods. I know they say you have to choose at some point, but what intrigues me is this: if we become Thinbloods earlier on, will that impact dialog from other characters whose quests we could have taken/complete earlier on? Will be get better rewards? Get disrespected less? Be hated by Nossies for becoming Toreador when they were neutral toward us as generic Thinbloods? Mistrust from non-Tremere toward a Tremere PC as opposed to the characters just being frank or mildly annoyed with us when we're Thinbloods? Ventrue being aggravated by Brujah with their brashness as opposed to simply looking down on Thinbloods for their perceived inferiority?

I be curious, yo.

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Re: Dialogue and Music in Bloodlines 2 Trailer is ... Terrible
« Reply #56 on: June 19, 2019, 01:48:24 AM »
Explain. You said you wanted tons of Trump jokes in Bloodlines 2, even if it tanks the game, to make people aware of "the truth" so you CLEARLY don't consider stupid jokes to be losing the argument.

But... you didn't make a joke. You said a dumb comment.

Also! You've just admitted to not taking "the issue" at hand seriously! Read it and weep: "The initialism LGBTTQQIAAP (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, transsexual, queer, questioning, intersex, asexual, ally, pansexual) has also resulted, although such initialisms are sometimes criticized for being confusing and leaving some people out, as well as issues of placement of the letters within the new title.
LGBT - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT "

But... you didn't even use the LGBTTQQIAAP acronym. You made a dumb comment.

What exactly was so difficult to understand about my response ? Nothing, I would think, but perhaps I'd be wrong.

Back on topic... the music doesn't suck, y'all need Caine.

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Re: Dialogue and Music in Bloodlines 2 Trailer is ... Terrible
« Reply #57 on: June 19, 2019, 03:24:54 AM »
Explain. You said you wanted tons of Trump jokes in Bloodlines 2, even if it tanks the game, to make people aware of "the truth" so you CLEARLY don't consider stupid jokes to be losing the argument.

But... you didn't make a joke. You said a dumb comment.

Also! You've just admitted to not taking "the issue" at hand seriously! Read it and weep: "The initialism LGBTTQQIAAP (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, transsexual, queer, questioning, intersex, asexual, ally, pansexual) has also resulted, although such initialisms are sometimes criticized for being confusing and leaving some people out, as well as issues of placement of the letters within the new title.
LGBT - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT "

But... you didn't even use the LGBTTQQIAAP acronym. You made a dumb comment.

What exactly was so difficult to understand about my response ? Nothing, I would think, but perhaps I'd be wrong.


Sure I made a joke. You not finding the joke funny doesn't make it not a joke. I even explained the joke because you are either not understanding it or pretending not to, and instead of rebutting me, you opt not to explain your point yet again, then try to imply I'm an idiot to weasel out of rebutting me ("What exactly was so difficult to understand about my response ? Nothing, I would think, but perhaps I'd be wrong.") and then pound on the figurative eject button ("Back on topic...") to try to end this since you've bitten off more than you can chew.

You want me to explain what's difficult to understand about your response? Let's take another look at it:

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"This is precisely where you lose the argument. Because it's not difficult to remember it's LGBTQI if you take the issue seriously.

If you don't, then you can now understand why SJW's aren't really as bad as intolerant, bigoted people, make them out to be."

Sentence 1 claims I lost the argument. Um. What argument? I lightheartedly pointed out the lunacy of the length of the actual community's acronym at this point. The NRA isn't the NRMCCHGSA now (National Rifleman's Minigunner's Chaingunner's Cannoneer's Handgunman's Gatlinggunner's Shotgunner's Association). The NAACP hasn't taken every ethnicity other than caucasian/white and crammed a letter to represent each into its acronym to the point of ridiculousness. When your acronym exceeds five letters, it had better spell a freaking word like "SHIELD" in Marvel, or it's just hell to remember. And you have proven in sentence 2 that even the shortened version of the acronym is ridiculous since you messed it up despite it being significantly shorter.

Since sentence 2 has been objectively debunked, sentence 1 no longer makes sense as sentence 2 was your "reasoning" for sentence 1, stating "Because" at its start immediately proceeding sentence 1.

And sentence 3 refers to "the issue." The only point I made in the quote you brought up was a joking jab at the absurdity of the actual full acronym by throwing in a bunch of silly acronym letters, and it's still not too far from the actual length of the full acronym.

This was your second opportunity to provide actual arguments to support what you said instead of using a put-down (insinuating a lack of intelligence/competence) and disregarding my points. Instead you are dissing the person with whom you disagree and failing at debate. You have pulled some white-knighting virtue signal bullshit by jumping in to defend a community by saying I have already "lost the argument" concerning them when I said nothing against that community whatsoever in that quote/joke .

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Back on topic... the music doesn't suck, y'all need Caine.

I'll wait to hear more before I decide. The repurposed unused Bloodlines 1 track has me worried on the amount of effort put into the music acquisition of this game...
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