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Re: Dialogue and Music in Bloodlines 2 Trailer is ... Terrible
« Reply #30 on: June 16, 2019, 09:27:23 AM »
Brian and his associate are the ones who pitched Bloodlines 2 to Paradox.  They hadn't even been planning on starting it yet til Brian came along.  This is his & that other dude's brainchild 100%.  Cara Ellison was hired on after the fact.

As Wesp mentioned though, it does seem strange she was named LEAD narrative designer.

My point is that she's *not* the lead narrative designer.  Brian is.  She is a *senior* narrative designer and I don't even know that she's the only one with the title of "senior" working on this game.  Brian is *lead*.  Cara is *senior*.  She's high up, which is probably why she comes off as authoritative in interviews, but Brian is above her.  Whichever publication or blog, Xbox or whatever, has named her as "lead" is mistaken.  Probably mistakenly not distinguishing between "lead" and "senior" in this case.

Cara is a Senior designer. 


Brian is lead.
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Re: Dialogue and Music in Bloodlines 2 Trailer is ... Terrible
« Reply #31 on: June 16, 2019, 02:21:46 PM »
Awesome possum then.

She's quite pretty though !

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Re: Dialogue and Music in Bloodlines 2 Trailer is ... Terrible
« Reply #32 on: June 17, 2019, 01:30:02 AM »
Awesome possum then.

She's quite pretty though !

Yes, I think so too. 

I don't know if I agree with all of her personal views regarding gaming (I do not have a problem with her stance on rape in games, mind you and I would have to fully research her other views and actions) but it seems she's being a team player with Bloodlines 2. 

I don't believe she was hired because Paradox wants some kind of "SJW" perspective for Bloodlines as some fear.  I think she was hired because she's based in Seattle just like Brian is and he probably knows her since they are in the same business and live in the same city.  He probably knows her and trusts her and I happen to trust HIM to do right by his own baby. 

These are my Washington peeps and they're making the game about part of my home so this is all very cool to me.

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Re: Dialogue and Music in Bloodlines 2 Trailer is ... Terrible
« Reply #33 on: June 17, 2019, 01:38:04 AM »
I don't know about the combat but the demo deffinitely looked like what I would expect out of this game. Tons of choices, consequence, heavy dialogue, big personalities. I think everything is on the right track.

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« Reply #34 on: June 17, 2019, 03:19:21 AM »
I don't know about the combat but the demo deffinitely looked like what I would expect out of this game. Tons of choices, consequence, heavy dialogue, big personalities. I think everything is on the right track.

The combat looked alright to me...unless that sweep-kick followed by a turn-around flip thingy is automated as opposed to something you deliberately trigger. If it's random, then that will be reeeeally annoying in a fight. Also, I felt like the knock-down time was way too short for the flip to really help you out and merit the time and effort of the move.

And I want them to fix the male/female voices because they clearly seem to have screwed up and given some of the ladies really deep manly voices.

Also, why do all the baddies seem to be women other than the guy in charge? If it was a drug-making/packing facility where all the ladies were wearing undergarments or were naked to discourage sneaking the product out, then I could understand the all-female crew under him, but...it just makes no statistical sense. Maybe there's some story element to it that we'll learn later.

Or perhaps someone at Hardsuit Labs just broke up and is eager to have a lot of women beaten to death with a pipe in the game demo as a means of coping with the break-up? =p

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Re: Dialogue and Music in Bloodlines 2 Trailer is ... Terrible
« Reply #35 on: June 17, 2019, 06:24:02 AM »
I don't know about the combat but the demo deffinitely looked like what I would expect out of this game. Tons of choices, consequence, heavy dialogue, big personalities. I think everything is on the right track.

The combat looked alright to me...unless that sweep-kick followed by a turn-around flip thingy is automated as opposed to something you deliberately trigger. If it's random, then that will be reeeeally annoying in a fight. Also, I felt like the knock-down time was way too short for the flip to really help you out and merit the time and effort of the move.

And I want them to fix the male/female voices because they clearly seem to have screwed up and given some of the ladies really deep manly voices.

Also, why do all the baddies seem to be women other than the guy in charge? If it was a drug-making/packing facility where all the ladies were wearing undergarments or were naked to discourage sneaking the product out, then I could understand the all-female crew under him, but...it just makes no statistical sense. Maybe there's some story element to it that we'll learn later.

Or perhaps someone at Hardsuit Labs just broke up and is eager to have a lot of women beaten to death with a pipe in the game demo as a means of coping with the break-up? =p

And as an aside, having to beat up a bunch of women doesn't exactly scream "SJW".  lol  Maybe this is Cara overcompensating for her rep?  She has to know that some people whine about her on twitter, worrying that she will destroy all. 

I must have not seen all the footage you have seen though, because I haven't heard the deep manly voices on women yet.  Does it sound like they accidentally mixed up the soundfiles or are these women with very husky voices?

Edit:  So I went back and looked and LOL yeah those sound like mixed up soundfiles.  LOL  Woman says "Oh God!" in not just a deep voice, but literally a man's voice.  LOL
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« Reply #36 on: June 17, 2019, 07:11:20 AM »
I don't know about the combat but the demo deffinitely looked like what I would expect out of this game. Tons of choices, consequence, heavy dialogue, big personalities. I think everything is on the right track.

The combat looked alright to me...unless that sweep-kick followed by a turn-around flip thingy is automated as opposed to something you deliberately trigger. If it's random, then that will be reeeeally annoying in a fight. Also, I felt like the knock-down time was way too short for the flip to really help you out and merit the time and effort of the move.

And I want them to fix the male/female voices because they clearly seem to have screwed up and given some of the ladies really deep manly voices.

Also, why do all the baddies seem to be women other than the guy in charge? If it was a drug-making/packing facility where all the ladies were wearing undergarments or were naked to discourage sneaking the product out, then I could understand the all-female crew under him, but...it just makes no statistical sense. Maybe there's some story element to it that we'll learn later.

Or perhaps someone at Hardsuit Labs just broke up and is eager to have a lot of women beaten to death with a pipe in the game demo as a means of coping with the break-up? =p

And as an aside, having to beat up a bunch of women doesn't exactly scream "SJW".  lol  Maybe this is Cara overcompensating for her rep?  She has to know that some people whine about her on twitter, worrying that she will destroy all. 

They're pretty heavily armed women, though. Bitches got M-16's n' shit! XD

But nah, I'd expect any SJW shenanigans to come in dialog if anything since we can kill whomever we want outside of Elysium. It would be pretty fun to have more opportunities to kill Kindred of relevance in this game than we did in Bloodlines 1. Giving the Final Death to Kindred who annoy us or with whom we cannot ideologically coexist would be some fun stuff.

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I must have not seen all the footage you have seen though, because I haven't heard the deep manly voices on women yet.  Does it sound like they accidentally mixed up the soundfiles or are these women with very husky voices?

Edit:  So I went back and looked and LOL yeah those sound like mixed up soundfiles.  LOL  Woman says "Oh God!" in not just a deep voice, but literally a man's voice.  LOL

Or perhaps Dr. Girlfriend from The Venture Bros is taking on a role as an extra in Bloodlines 2. I would link a clip if it wouldn't put up a massive YouTube window.

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Re: Dialogue and Music in Bloodlines 2 Trailer is ... Terrible
« Reply #37 on: June 17, 2019, 10:19:23 AM »
Giving the Final Death to Kindred who annoy us or with whom we cannot ideologically coexist would be some fun stuff.
But SJWs are the real danger, right?

Yikesssssss. LMAO.

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Re: Dialogue and Music in Bloodlines 2 Trailer is ... Terrible
« Reply #38 on: June 17, 2019, 10:25:16 AM »
Or perhaps Dr. Girlfriend from The Venture Bros is taking on a role as an extra in Bloodlines 2. I would link a clip if it wouldn't put up a massive YouTube window.

LOL I looked it up and see what you mean!

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« Reply #39 on: June 17, 2019, 12:28:16 PM »
Giving the Final Death to Kindred who annoy us or with whom we cannot ideologically coexist would be some fun stuff.
But SJWs are the real danger, right?

Yikesssssss. LMAO.

Please explain how the real-world SJW movement - which openly relies on racism and other bigotry, and does its damnedest to make the world a place devoid of comedy and well-written characters - is better than me fictionally killing characters in my private, single player experience for lulz. :D
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Re: Dialogue and Music in Bloodlines 2 Trailer is ... Terrible
« Reply #40 on: June 17, 2019, 12:48:28 PM »
I must have not seen all the footage you have seen though, because I haven't heard the deep manly voices on women yet.  Does it sound like they accidentally mixed up the soundfiles or are these women with very husky voices?

Edit:  So I went back and looked and LOL yeah those sound like mixed up soundfiles.  LOL  Woman says "Oh God!" in not just a deep voice, but literally a man's voice.  LOL

Outstar seems to think that was *not* a bug, but rather *intentional*... as they are making the game inclusive of transgender/non-binary people in the character creation. *I* am inclined to think it's a bug, but... who knows these days, ha.

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« Reply #41 on: June 17, 2019, 02:43:32 PM »
^ I doubt it's intentional - or at least I hope not, because if it is, that's so poorly handled on the devs' part...

Giving the Final Death to Kindred who annoy us or with whom we cannot ideologically coexist would be some fun stuff.
But SJWs are the real danger, right?

Yikesssssss. LMAO.

Please explain how the real-world SJW movement - which openly relies on racism and other bigotry, and does its damnedest to make the world a place devoid of comedy and well-written characters - is better than me fictionally killing characters in my private, single player experience for lulz. :D

I didn't say it was - we've all killed someone on The Sims, it's not that deep - but clearly the shoe fit. :vampwink:

People give so-called SJWs too much credit, anyway. It's not like anything they've ever done has amounted to genuinely affecting someone's enjoyment of a video game.

(the only thing I can think of, maybe, is that one trans character in Baldur's Gate 2 who everyone suffered a collective hernia over for being poorly written - which is a gross overreaction relative to the amount of bad writing in video games...)

Then again, I've never been caught up in an earthquake - and yet I'm still terrified of them, so I suppose that fearmongering makes sense, in a way.
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« Reply #42 on: June 17, 2019, 05:52:51 PM »
VampireBill, I also heard Outstar's assertion and I agree with you, if only because I have a tough time believing that they would have the gall to give a woman a really deep, manly voice on purpose and try to claim it's a trans woman because the media would destroy the devs for it if they admitted it as it would come off as making fun of trans people by giving a woman a deep, manly voice and saying it's a trans woman.

Candy Narwhal, as for trans characters in gaming, the "problem" people have with them doesn't seem to be the fact that they're trans...it's the fact that the characters are very shallow or uninteresting and the most interesting thing about them is the fact they're trans. We see the same thing pretty often with LGBTQWTFBBQAARPWXYZ characters. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Anders was a well-written and enjoyable character until his sexuality became one of the most important things about him, at which point he was whiny, despicable, and way too clingy. Even having the Spirit of Justice in him couldn't make him likable, cool, or interesting despite him being super awesome in Dragon Age Awakenings.

 Zevran, on the other hand, seemed like his sexual preference wasn't the most interesting thing about him. He was actually likable, interesting, but also happened to fall into that demographic.

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Re: Dialogue and Music in Bloodlines 2 Trailer is ... Terrible
« Reply #43 on: June 17, 2019, 06:20:51 PM »
VampireBill, I also heard Outstar's assertion and I agree with you, if only because I have a tough time believing that they would have the gall to give a woman a really deep, manly voice on purpose and try to claim it's a trans woman because the media would destroy the devs for it if they admitted it as it would come off as making fun of trans people by giving a woman a deep, manly voice and saying it's a trans woman.

Candy Narwhal, as for trans characters in gaming, the "problem" people have with them doesn't seem to be the fact that they're trans...it's the fact that the characters are very shallow or uninteresting and the most interesting thing about them is the fact they're trans. We see the same thing pretty often with LGBTQWTFBBQAARPWXYZ characters. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Anders was a well-written and enjoyable character until his sexuality became one of the most important things about him, at which point he was whiny, despicable, and way too clingy. Even having the Spirit of Justice in him couldn't make him likable, cool, or interesting despite him being super awesome in Dragon Age Awakenings.

 Zevran, on the other hand, seemed like his sexual preference wasn't the most interesting thing about him. He was actually likable, interesting, but also happened to fall into that demographic.

I agree about Zevran, one of my favorite DA characters. I wouldn't say, that Anders is defined by his sexuality though, all love interest in DA2 are bisexual and the only one, where I would say, it plays a role, is Isabella, because she defines herself a lot over her sexuality. Anders defines himself more about his cause, mage freedom. WHen I played his romance, I had the impression, that he puts his cause over everything else, relationship included.
There might be an interesting trans character in DA4: Maevaris Tilani, a miagister, who was born a man and identifies and lives as a woman. It's a character from the DA comics, but she has a huge fanbase and since DA4 will be plaing in Tevinter most likely, many people would like to have her as a companion or advisor.

To not get too far away from Bloodlines 2, I could see an interesting and well written trans character like Maevaris in Bloodlines 2, but women with mens voices or vice versa are just plain strange. The first time, I do not agree with Outstar (she is perfect in anything else she says though imo :)).
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Re: Dialogue and Music in Bloodlines 2 Trailer is ... Terrible
« Reply #44 on: June 17, 2019, 11:36:37 PM »
VampireBill, I also heard Outstar's assertion and I agree with you, if only because I have a tough time believing that they would have the gall to give a woman a really deep, manly voice on purpose and try to claim it's a trans woman because the media would destroy the devs for it if they admitted it as it would come off as making fun of trans people by giving a woman a deep, manly voice and saying it's a trans woman.

Candy Narwhal, as for trans characters in gaming, the "problem" people have with them doesn't seem to be the fact that they're trans...it's the fact that the characters are very shallow or uninteresting and the most interesting thing about them is the fact they're trans. We see the same thing pretty often with LGBTQWTFBBQAARPWXYZ characters. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Anders was a well-written and enjoyable character until his sexuality became one of the most important things about him, at which point he was whiny, despicable, and way too clingy. Even having the Spirit of Justice in him couldn't make him likable, cool, or interesting despite him being super awesome in Dragon Age Awakenings.

 Zevran, on the other hand, seemed like his sexual preference wasn't the most interesting thing about him. He was actually likable, interesting, but also happened to fall into that demographic.

I agree about Zevran, one of my favorite DA characters. I wouldn't say, that Anders is defined by his sexuality though, all love interest in DA2 are bisexual and the only one, where I would say, it plays a role, is Isabella, because she defines herself a lot over her sexuality. Anders defines himself more about his cause, mage freedom. WHen I played his romance, I had the impression, that he puts his cause over everything else, relationship included.
There might be an interesting trans character in DA4: Maevaris Tilani, a miagister, who was born a man and identifies and lives as a woman. It's a character from the DA comics, but she has a huge fanbase and since DA4 will be plaing in Tevinter most likely, many people would like to have her as a companion or advisor.

To not get too far away from Bloodlines 2, I could see an interesting and well written trans character like Maevaris in Bloodlines 2, but women with mens voices or vice versa are just plain strange. The first time, I do not agree with Outstar (she is perfect in anything else she says though imo :)).

Yeah, I suppose Anders is just what's scientifically known as a "bitch" and his sexuality isn't relevant. Bioware has a real knack for making me dislike characters from one game to the next. Character development or whatever but Liara T'Soni was a fave in ME1, then I hated her in 2 and 3.