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Re: Brian Mitsoda and Ka’ai Cluney have been fired
« Reply #60 on: August 26, 2020, 10:07:24 pm »
I mean that's a possible solution. There are many, many possibilities; some more likely, and some less likely. It's impossible to know until parties involved come forward with the information as a confirmable source of information.


That said...does your theory make sense considering how bad it makes them look to the public without giving an explanation? I haven't seen a single soul in the fanbase, media, etc. who is pleased by this happening. I'm not saying it's impossible, but you're jumping to a conclusion with no evidence, no allegations from Brian or persons confirmed to be with the company, etc., and that conclusion hurts Brian AND the employer...

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Re: Brian Mitsoda and Ka’ai Cluney have been fired
« Reply #61 on: August 27, 2020, 02:18:53 am »
Highwayman667 and DarkProphet, I don't think so. I'm 90% sure he still lives in Seattle, so definitely still in the US. He was an employee and basically they can hire and fire who they choose. Atm no law seems to be broken on any side, but for the very reason mentioned. There's no lawsuit filed and it's been more than 30 days afaik. Iirc, here in the US lawsuits have a 2 year, general time limit but there are exceptions. Brian probably had his contract paid off and if not then he could and probably would sue. Also, if his contract had some form of profit sharing it's possible, since firing the most high profile and beloved developer is going to hurt profits.
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Re: Brian Mitsoda and Ka’ai Cluney have been fired
« Reply #62 on: August 27, 2020, 02:47:11 am »
Highwayman667 and DarkProphet, I don't think so. I'm 90% sure he still lives in Seattle, so definitely still in the US. He was an employee and basically they can hire and fire who they choose. Atm no law seems to be broken on any side, but for the very reason mentioned. There's no lawsuit filed and it's been more than 30 days afaik. Iirc, here in the US lawsuits have a 2 year, general time limit but there are exceptions. Brian probably had his contract paid off and if not then he could and probably would sue. Also, if his contract had some form of profit sharing it's possible, since firing the most high profile and beloved developer is going to hurt profits.


No kidding. They had to know this would impact sales. I really wish we knew more.

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Re: Brian Mitsoda and Ka’ai Cluney have been fired
« Reply #63 on: August 27, 2020, 07:06:55 am »
Now I almost wish it impacts sales negatively.Unless they have a legitimate reason.
On a sidenote, I just can't read these panglossian, fucking ray of sunshine tweets by Outstar posted a few pages ago, such talk drives me mad really

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Re: Brian Mitsoda and Ka’ai Cluney have been fired
« Reply #64 on: August 27, 2020, 03:22:00 pm »
Now I almost wish it impacts sales negatively.Unless they have a legitimate reason. On a sidenote, I just can't read these panglossian, fucking ray of sunshine tweets by Outstar posted a few pages ago, such talk drives me mad really


Can't expect much from her. She is an employee of Paradox.


And at this rate, I think it's highly unlikely we're gonna get a "legitimate reason" because there's most likely none: as Acleacius mentioned, this is all probably a big way to game the social media behavior of people and do damage control on the effect that firing Mitsoda has.

I don't give a shit though, I might actually consider review-bombing for the very first time in my life.

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Re: Brian Mitsoda and Ka’ai Cluney have been fired
« Reply #65 on: August 27, 2020, 03:43:04 pm »
Here are my two cents. If this was about delays, I could sort understand why they would get rid of Ka’ai Cluney. I still wouldn't be happy about it, but at the very least I would understand. I imagine not meeting the deadlines would make a lot of higher ups unhappy. What I can't understand is, why on earth would they get rid of Brian Mitsoda knowing full well he is the reason why we were excited about Bloodlines 2 in the first place? This whole thing is shady as hell. At this point I have no doubt in my mind Alexandre Mandryka will just ruin this game. He will do what they hired him to do, he will slice and dice, cut anything without giving a damn. Also he will do everything he can to make the game appeal to a broader audience, not caring what he sacrifices to do so. No one can convince me otherwise.

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Re: Brian Mitsoda and Ka’ai Cluney have been fired
« Reply #66 on: August 27, 2020, 03:47:34 pm »
Outstar isn't an employee of Paradox. She's an employee of World of Darkness, like Jason Carl.


It's entirely possible that we will never find out the reason for the termination. If Mitsoda did something the employer felt merits a discharge but it cannot prove - to the extent that a judge would need to see - its allegations, then he could possibly sue them for slandering him. Therefore, they will likely remain silent on the issue even if he did something horrible that necessitated his termination.

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Re: Brian Mitsoda and Ka’ai Cluney have been fired
« Reply #67 on: September 03, 2020, 09:42:04 am »
I definitely won't be buying the game. In fact i wont even pirate it.


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Re: Brian Mitsoda and Ka’ai Cluney have been fired
« Reply #68 on: September 03, 2020, 11:11:57 pm »
Outstar isn't an employee of Paradox. She's an employee of World of Darkness, like Jason Carl.


It's entirely possible that we will never find out the reason for the termination. If Mitsoda did something the employer felt merits a discharge but it cannot prove - to the extent that a judge would need to see - its allegations, then he could possibly sue them for slandering him. Therefore, they will likely remain silent on the issue even if he did something horrible that necessitated his termination.
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Re: Brian Mitsoda and Ka’ai Cluney have been fired
« Reply #69 on: September 04, 2020, 12:59:39 am »
I definitely won't be buying the game. In fact i wont even pirate it.


Please Brian... sue Paradox... please :58_45_40:

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Re: Brian Mitsoda and Ka’ai Cluney have been fired
« Reply #70 on: September 07, 2020, 02:40:24 am »
You know, I was fine with the constant delays and the vague reasons given for them. I've been waiting for Beyond Good & Evil 2 for longer and with even less info, after all...


But this is incredibly worrying - especially with more people having left than just Brian and Ka'ai.


In a way though, for the narrative at least, I suppose it's a good sign that they advertised a replacement for Ka'ai, but not Brian?
It signals that the writing isn't being touched (other than the immediate conspiracy theories that "SJW Cara Ellison" is going to rewrite the entire fucking game lol, you guys are funny), and I believe they did say, a couple of dev diaries ago, that there was a content lock in place anyway.


Maybe Ka'ai and Brian were a two-for-one deal, and they were dissatisfied with Ka'ai's contributions (looking at the state of the game, you could imagine why, unfortunately), so then Brian had to go as well?


If the majority of the work they have left to do, as they've indicated, is more on a mechanical or graphical level, there's no reason to believe Brian's work is going to be gutted out of the game. I'm just trying to stay hopeful, here...

I love that they said "excellent franchises" and not "excellent games" about Mandryka's portfolio, by the way - because that speaks for itself, the games themselves aren't anything special by any means, lmao.
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Re: Brian Mitsoda and Ka’ai Cluney have been fired
« Reply #71 on: September 08, 2020, 05:58:12 pm »
Although Outstar told us that the firing had nothing to do with direct harrassment from their side, maybe Paradox just wanted them to remove anything made by Chris Avellone and they disagreed. See here:
https://i.imgur.com/6VwTg50.png
and here:
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Re: Brian Mitsoda and Ka’ai Cluney have been fired
« Reply #72 on: September 08, 2020, 07:18:53 pm »
Although Outstar told us that the firing had nothing to do with direct harrassment from their side, maybe Paradox just wanted them to remove anything made by Chris Avellone and they disagreed. See here:
https://i.imgur.com/6VwTg50.png
and here:
It's really impossible to tell at this point exactly what happened (although it seems pretty obvious that they want to change something about the game, this isn't just a production issue). Thanks for the video though, I didn't know much about the Chris Avellone situation, I found this informative.

 

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