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Title: Another Vampire: The Masquerade Game
Post by: Wilhelm Streicher 19 on May 14, 2019, 05:58:00 pm
Well this very surprising but Bloodlines 2 isn´t the only new Vampire game in the making.
I double check this but its really not Werewolf.

Here the Press Release:
"After a first foray into the World of Darkness universe with Werewolf: The Apocalypse - Earthblood, BIGBEN is proud to announce that its partnership with Paradox will be extended and that a game under theVampire: The Masquerade licence is in development. Developed by Big Bad Wolf, creators of the episodic adventure game The Council, the game aims to define a new genre: the narrative RPG, inspired by the rules of the tabletop RPG. The studio will share more information at Gamescom in August."
https://www.rpgsite.net/news/8483-an-additional-vampire-the-masquerade-rpg-is-in-development-more-information-to-come-at-this-year-s-gamescom

Title: Re: Another Vampire: The Masquerade Game
Post by: Barabbah on May 14, 2019, 09:14:34 pm
Narrative RPG? Some time ago I found a comic book with this premise. Like a book game (if you want to open the door go to page 7, if you want to check the hallway to to page 15) but you have also the classic RPG sheet for some key events, like a fight or an escape. In the last number you take the role of ronald reagan

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/24/Diceman5.jpg)

Priceless (except the 1.45£)
Title: Re: Another Vampire: The Masquerade Game
Post by: DarkProphet on May 14, 2019, 11:46:06 pm
Well this very surprising but Bloodlines 2 isn´t the only new Vampire game in the making.
I double check this but its really not Werewolf.

Here the Press Release:
"After a first foray into the World of Darkness universe with Werewolf: The Apocalypse - Earthblood, BIGBEN is proud to announce that its partnership with Paradox will be extended and that a game under theVampire: The Masquerade licence is in development. Developed by Big Bad Wolf, creators of the episodic adventure game The Council, the game aims to define a new genre: the narrative RPG, inspired by the rules of the tabletop RPG. The studio will share more information at Gamescom in August."
https://www.rpgsite.net/news/8483-an-additional-vampire-the-masquerade-rpg-is-in-development-more-information-to-come-at-this-year-s-gamescom

Huh. I hadn't heard of this, thanks for letting us know. Until I hear more, I'm curious but hardly putting much hope into it. If it's a kind of game that I would hate, then no matter what it's based on I wouldn't like it. #pessimism4life
Title: Re: Another Vampire: The Masquerade Game
Post by: Highwayman667 on May 15, 2019, 12:45:50 am
Well... we never thought we were getting another VTM videogame... now we're getting two.
Title: Re: Another Vampire: The Masquerade Game
Post by: DarkZephyr on May 15, 2019, 01:39:23 am
Sounds very promising!   
Title: Re: Another Vampire: The Masquerade Game
Post by: mdqp on May 15, 2019, 09:45:38 am
Is narrative RPG a fancy way to say the game will be less combat oriented, or are we getting a visual novel with stats regulating our dialogues? Not that I'd mind either of those, if the writing is good and the systems are interesting, but I wish they were clearer about what they mean, especially when they make bold claims about "new genres". I have a certain distaste for marketing-speak.
Title: Re: Another Vampire: The Masquerade Game
Post by: Highwayman667 on May 16, 2019, 12:33:16 am
Is narrative RPG a fancy way to say the game will be less combat oriented, or are we getting a visual novel with stats regulating our dialogues? Not that I'd mind either of those, if the writing is good and the systems are interesting, but I wish they were clearer about what they mean, especially when they make bold claims about "new genres". I have a certain distaste for marketing-speak.

I'll be laughing for a whole day if it turns out to be a virtual board game.
Title: Re: Another Vampire: The Masquerade Game
Post by: DarkZephyr on May 16, 2019, 06:25:36 am
Is narrative RPG a fancy way to say the game will be less combat oriented, or are we getting a visual novel with stats regulating our dialogues? Not that I'd mind either of those, if the writing is good and the systems are interesting, but I wish they were clearer about what they mean, especially when they make bold claims about "new genres". I have a certain distaste for marketing-speak.

I just assume they mean there will be more in depth characters and interesting conversations, not that it will be a glorified interactive novel. 
Title: Re: Another Vampire: The Masquerade Game
Post by: mdqp on May 16, 2019, 06:37:53 am
I just assume they mean there will be more in depth characters and interesting conversations, not that it will be a glorified interactive novel.

Wasn't their previous game an interactive novel? That's why I thought it might be the case.
Title: Re: Another Vampire: The Masquerade Game
Post by: DarkZephyr on May 16, 2019, 06:47:00 am
I just assume they mean there will be more in depth characters and interesting conversations, not that it will be a glorified interactive novel.

Wasn't their previous game an interactive novel? That's why I thought it might be the case.

There's going to have a combat system though and its going to be first person.  That doesn't really scream "Interactive Novel".  Though I do love those.  But that wouldn't be a Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines game.
Title: Re: Another Vampire: The Masquerade Game
Post by: mdqp on May 16, 2019, 12:47:28 pm
There's going to have a combat system though and its going to be first person.  That doesn't really scream "Interactive Novel".  Though I do love those.  But that wouldn't be a Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines game.

Wait, where did they say there was going to be a combat system?

This isn't about Bloodlines 2, in case that's where the confusion comes from.
Title: Re: Another Vampire: The Masquerade Game
Post by: DarkZephyr on May 16, 2019, 07:10:56 pm
There's going to have a combat system though and its going to be first person.  That doesn't really scream "Interactive Novel".  Though I do love those.  But that wouldn't be a Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines game.

Wait, where did they say there was going to be a combat system?

This isn't about Bloodlines 2, in case that's where the confusion comes from.

Sorry, my bad. I shouldn't be responding to these when I am dead tired. It was the wee hours of the morning and I hadn't been to bed yet. Yep, I was confused when I made that last response which is dumb because I knew that we weren't talking about Bloodlines 2 when I originally started participating in this thread.  *blush of life*
Title: Re: Another Vampire: The Masquerade Game
Post by: mdqp on May 16, 2019, 07:48:41 pm
Sorry, my bad. I shouldn't be responding to these when I am dead tired. It was the wee hours of the morning and I hadn't been to bed yet. Yep, I was confused when I made that last response which is dumb because I knew that we weren't talking about Bloodlines 2 when I originally started participating in this thread.  *blush of life*

Just introduce me to a nice ghoulette and we are fine? XD XD XD

This is the area for Bloodlines 2 discussion, after all, mistakes happen. :)
Title: Re: Another Vampire: The Masquerade Game
Post by: DarkZephyr on May 16, 2019, 09:19:08 pm
Sorry, my bad. I shouldn't be responding to these when I am dead tired. It was the wee hours of the morning and I hadn't been to bed yet. Yep, I was confused when I made that last response which is dumb because I knew that we weren't talking about Bloodlines 2 when I originally started participating in this thread.  *blush of life*

Just introduce me to a nice ghoulette and we are fine? XD XD XD

This is the area for Bloodlines 2 discussion, after all, mistakes happen. :)

lol thanks!
Title: Re: Another Vampire: The Masquerade Game
Post by: Highwayman667 on May 17, 2019, 12:31:29 am
Just introduce me to a nice ghoulette and we are fine? XD XD XD

Making me miss Heather already :(
Title: Re: Another Vampire: The Masquerade Game
Post by: DarkZephyr on May 17, 2019, 04:26:30 am
Just introduce me to a nice ghoulette and we are fine? XD XD XD

Making me miss Heather already :(

Aww sweet little Heather.  I will admit that the first time I played VtmB, I cried when a certain thing happened.  AND I was FILLED with rage.  My  Ventrue needed vengeance BADLY. 
Title: Re: Another Vampire: The Masquerade Game
Post by: mdqp on May 17, 2019, 09:38:07 am
Making me miss Heather already :(

I really hope we can have another ghoul, and keep her/him safe this time around. I'd gladly fight an uphill battle and lose 20 xp points if I could have my "reasonably happy ending" with Heather. I loved her dialogues, especially when playing as a Malk (but then again, they are my favourite clan in general).
Title: Re: Another Vampire: The Masquerade Game
Post by: DarkProphet on May 17, 2019, 12:03:41 pm
Making me miss Heather already :(

I really hope we can have another ghoul, and keep her/him safe this time around. I'd gladly fight an uphill battle and lose 20 xp points if I could have my "reasonably happy ending" with Heather. I loved her dialogues, especially when playing as a Malk (but then again, they are my favourite clan in general).

Yeah, that would be fun. I would also like other personalities available for ghouls as well. Heather was an inept college student pulled into this world. In the World of Darkness, you can ghoul humans with military expertise, Hunters, business entrepreneurs, etc., and send your ghoul(s) out to do things for you during the day or night, or even take them with you for backup in fights.
Title: Re: Another Vampire: The Masquerade Game
Post by: Highwayman667 on May 18, 2019, 03:19:21 am
Yeah, that would be fun. I would also like other personalities available for ghouls as well. Heather was an inept college student pulled into this world. In the World of Darkness, you can ghoul humans with military expertise, Hunters, business entrepreneurs, etc., and send your ghoul(s) out to do things for you during the day or night, or even take them with you for backup in fights.

I'm pretty sure those articles that criticized BL1 for being a "male power fantasy" where pretty much directed at Heather xD

Which makes me wonder how ghouls will work in this game.
Title: Re: Another Vampire: The Masquerade Game
Post by: DarkProphet on May 18, 2019, 03:29:17 am
Yeah, that would be fun. I would also like other personalities available for ghouls as well. Heather was an inept college student pulled into this world. In the World of Darkness, you can ghoul humans with military expertise, Hunters, business entrepreneurs, etc., and send your ghoul(s) out to do things for you during the day or night, or even take them with you for backup in fights.

I'm pretty sure those articles that criticized BL1 for being a "male power fantasy" where pretty much directed at Heather xD

Which makes me wonder how ghouls will work in this game.

Well, phrases like "male power fantasy" get games journalists highly aroused. Personally, I think it's sexist to assume woman-folk don't want blast the living shit out of people. After all...

Title: Re: Another Vampire: The Masquerade Game
Post by: Highwayman667 on May 18, 2019, 04:35:05 am
Well, phrases like "male power fantasy" get games journalists highly aroused. Personally, I think it's sexist to assume woman-folk don't want blast the living shit out of people. After all...

I don't think it's about that, but about how Heather truly acts like a submissive slave towards you. Sure, the mechanic is explained by the vampire vitae but it's not the only thing to back up how BL1 really is a male power fantasy of sorts.
Title: Re: Another Vampire: The Masquerade Game
Post by: DarkProphet on May 18, 2019, 04:48:37 am
Well, phrases like "male power fantasy" get games journalists highly aroused. Personally, I think it's sexist to assume woman-folk don't want blast the living shit out of people. After all...

I don't think it's about that, but about how Heather truly acts like a submissive slave towards you. Sure, the mechanic is explained by the vampire vitae but it's not the only thing to back up how BL1 really is a male power fantasy of sorts.

I think it's a power fantasy, but I don't think it's exclusively a "male power fantasy." Women enjoyed the game and you can play as women. And those women can do some violent-ass stuff.
Title: Re: Another Vampire: The Masquerade Game
Post by: fylimar on May 18, 2019, 08:13:04 am
Yeah, as a woman, I have no problem with the game. Granted, a few more nice male blood dolls would be great, but Romero is a much nicer blood doll, than all the rest :p
Bloodlines came out in a time, where many game protagonists were still male, so I was happy to be able to play a female. And yeah, being a big bad vampire is a nice thing, so I'm probably guilty of power fantasies too.
I sometimes cringed about all the women turning up in lingerie in the most unlikely places (Vv going to a meeting of the vampire society in underwear was one of the most cringe worthy scenes in the game), but I mostly was amused about that. If people need half naked other people in their games to enjoy them, who am I to spoil their fun.
But in the spirit of emancipation, I want half naked Beckett in Bloodlines 2 XD
Title: Re: Another Vampire: The Masquerade Game
Post by: DarkProphet on May 18, 2019, 01:50:31 pm
Yeah, as a woman, I have no problem with the game. Granted, a few more nice male blood dolls would be great, but Romero is a much nicer blood doll, than all the rest :p
Bloodlines came out in a time, where many game protagonists were still male, so I was happy to be able to play a female. And yeah, being a big bad vampire is a nice thing, so I'm probably guilty of power fantasies too.
I sometimes cringed about all the women turning up in lingerie in the most unlikely places (Vv going to a meeting of the vampire society in underwear was one of the most cringe worthy scenes in the game), but I mostly was amused about that. If people need half naked other people in their games to enjoy them, who am I to spoil their fun.
But in the spirit of emancipation, I want half naked Beckett in Bloodlines 2 XD

Lmao! I never once thought about VV being underdressed at that meeting. You're totally right, though. XD

As for the "male power fantasy" thing, I think they should've just said "we are making a lot more options for everyone in this game" or something like that. Clearly it's not perfect, but at least it doesn't have that "FUCK MEN!!!" tone to it.
Title: Re: Another Vampire: The Masquerade Game
Post by: Wesp5 on May 18, 2019, 06:01:12 pm
Lmao! I never once thought about VV being underdressed at that meeting. You're totally right, though. XD

I think there is even a mod to dress her up in that scene, but in my opinion she does this on purpose to piss LaCroix and the Camarilla off. She is very much an Anarch and even blows Strauss a kiss to provoke him :)!
Title: Re: Another Vampire: The Masquerade Game
Post by: fylimar on May 18, 2019, 06:47:02 pm
Lmao! I never once thought about VV being underdressed at that meeting. You're totally right, though. XD

I think there is even a mod to dress her up in that scene, but in my opinion she does this on purpose to piss LaCroix and the Camarilla off. She is very much an Anarch and even blows Strauss a kiss to provoke him :)!

Still, that scene with Vv in her underpants is hilarious, I couldn't take her serious after that. I must say, that I'm biased, since VV is the character I like the least in that game and nowadays, I really love to piss her off
Title: Re: Another Vampire: The Masquerade Game
Post by: Wesp5 on May 18, 2019, 08:21:01 pm
Still, that scene with VV in her underpants is hilarious, I couldn't take her serious after that.

Well, I have never been to LA, but in the game many prostitutes work the streets looking similar, so why should VV bother to change for such a meeting?
Title: Re: Another Vampire: The Masquerade Game
Post by: fylimar on May 18, 2019, 08:34:12 pm
Still, that scene with VV in her underpants is hilarious, I couldn't take her serious after that.

Well, I have never been to LA, but in the game many prostitutes work the streets looking similar, so why should VV bother to change for such a meeting?

Don't, know, maybe because she isn't a hooker on the street, but attending an official meeting? Maybe she did it on purpose like you said, to piss off Lacroix, I still find it a bit strange
Title: Re: Another Vampire: The Masquerade Game
Post by: Nanaloma on May 19, 2019, 02:57:45 am
Lmao! I never once thought about VV being underdressed at that meeting. You're totally right, though. XD

I think there is even a mod to dress her up in that scene, but in my opinion she does this on purpose to piss LaCroix and the Camarilla off. She is very much an Anarch and even blows Strauss a kiss to provoke him :)!

Still, that scene with Vv in her underpants is hilarious, I couldn't take her serious after that. I must say, that I'm biased, since VV is the character I like the least in that game and nowadays, I really love to piss her off

Susan (VV) just plain irritates me, regardless.  Then again, she's a Toreador so she's supposed to be irritating.   As you can guess by the "Susan" thing, I too love pissing her off.  Now, about the Beckett thing, I think that seduction should be allowed for the male player (well not Nossies or Malks if the male looks as ridiculous as the male Maulk does in BL1).  I'm a straight male but I prefer playing BL1 in the female role.  I was never at all comfortable with seduction.  It would have been fun playing it as a male, though and I may have done so then more then the three or so times that I did.  The game really was sexist for not having male "dancers", etc but, at the time it came out, doing so would have likely sunk it's sales.  Everything homosexual in nature were female/female too.  I wasn't comfortable with that playing as a female and the same would have been true if playing as a male but there are others who would like that.  As long as it wasn't required or would lose one some EPs it would be fine with me.  A lot of things have changed in, what, fifteen years?
Title: Re: Another Vampire: The Masquerade Game
Post by: Highwayman667 on May 19, 2019, 03:38:42 am
I think it's a power fantasy, but I don't think it's exclusively a "male power fantasy." Women enjoyed the game and you can play as women. And those women can do some violent-ass stuff.

There's no reason why women can't enjoy male power fantasies too. The arguments are not mutually exclusive.
Title: Re: Another Vampire: The Masquerade Game
Post by: DarkZephyr on May 19, 2019, 03:49:13 am
I think it's a power fantasy, but I don't think it's exclusively a "male power fantasy." Women enjoyed the game and you can play as women. And those women can do some violent-ass stuff.

There's no reason why women can't enjoy male power fantasies too. The arguments are not mutually exclusive.

And no reason men can't enjoy female power fantasies.  Power fantasies for everyone, I say! 
Title: Re: Another Vampire: The Masquerade Game
Post by: Barabbah on May 19, 2019, 06:36:32 am
I think there is even a mod to dress her up in that scene

My first mod! :3
Title: Re: Another Vampire: The Masquerade Game
Post by: mdqp on May 19, 2019, 07:46:42 am
I am not sure what qualifies as a "male" power fantasy. Is it enough that some people are scantily dressed? That seems a fairly low bar to be meaningful. I think classifying VTM:B as a male power fantasy is like classifying 1984 as a "romantic novel", missing the forest for the tree.

On the topic of VV specifically, there might be several reasons as to why she is dressed like that in the opening cutscene. Maybe they ran out of time and budget, and had kept an extra set of clothing for her planned for last (or they found the effort for just one scene was too much), maybe they wanted to keep her recognizable, maybe it's part of her character, and she revels in being "scandalous" when possible (we get only a glimpse of how these vampires are seen or act in vampire society). I mean, some of the playable character models have it as bad as her, so it might just be that they valued the variety and uniqueness over how sensible the clothing was.
Title: Re: Another Vampire: The Masquerade Game
Post by: DarkZephyr on May 19, 2019, 08:15:30 am
I am not sure what qualifies as a "male" power fantasy. Is it enough that some people are scantily dressed? That seems a fairly low bar to be meaningful.

Yeah, I wouldn't call it a "male power fantasy".  I would definitely say that it catered to straight males more so than to anybody else though.  But yeah, wording it as a "male power fantasy" is a bit over the top and kind of carries a "f*ck men" connotation as DarkProphet has said, or maybe a "men are big dumb goofy juvenile a**holes" tone that makes me feel a bit uneasy.  I agree with DarkProphet that they could have worded it a lot better. 

I will say though that I love power fantasies.  I reveled in becoming the immortal godlike Nerevarine when playing Morrowind, I gloried in apotheosizing into a Daedric god in the Oblivion Shivering Isles expansion pack and becoming the Divine Crusader at the same damn time in the Knights of the Nine DLC, I delighted in becoming the new immortal Vampire king in the Skyrim Dawnguard DLC, etc.   So yeah, I love a good power fantasy. 
Title: Re: Another Vampire: The Masquerade Game
Post by: mdqp on May 19, 2019, 08:52:01 am
Yeah, I wouldn't call it a "male power fantasy".  I would definitely say that it catered to straight males more so than to anybody else though.  But yeah, wording it as a "male power fantasy" is a bit over the top and kind of carries a "f*ck men" connotation as DarkProphet has said, or maybe a "men are big dumb goofy juvenile a**holes" tone that makes me feel a bit uneasy.  I agree with DarkProphet that they could have worded it a lot better. 

I will say though that I love power fantasies.  I reveled in becoming the immortal godlike Nerevarine when playing Morrowind, I gloried in apotheosizing into a Daedric god in the Oblivion Shivering Isles expansion pack and becoming the Divine Crusader at the same damn time in the Knights of the Nine DLC, I delighted in becoming the new immortal Vampire king in the Skyrim Dawnguard DLC, etc.   So yeah, I love a good power fantasy.

I think it's fair to say the game appealed more to straight men, although if we talk about catering, then we have to consider what's the target audience of the game as well (assuming they did it consciously). What I think happened, however, is simply that having all points of view, all walks of life properly represented is expensive and can result in a very fragmented (with dozens of options per dialogue, and unmanageable complexity) or very bland (you try to make all options fit all potential playstyles) game, so you play to your strengths and avoid overthinking it too much.

Most people are fine with a power fantasy every now and then, I think. Also, there are plenty of games that both have and don't have such themes, so it would be weird to be upset about it (unless we are talking about a franchise "mutating" to add/remove said power fantasy, and betraying expectations, perhaps).
Title: Re: Another Vampire: The Masquerade Game
Post by: DarkZephyr on May 19, 2019, 09:15:20 am

I think it's fair to say the game appealed more to straight men, although if we talk about catering, then we have to consider what's the target audience of the game as well (assuming they did it consciously). What I think happened, however, is simply that having all points of view, all walks of life properly represented is expensive and can result in a very fragmented (with dozens of options per dialogue, and unmanageable complexity) or very bland (you try to make all options fit all potential playstyles) game, so you play to your strengths and avoid overthinking it too much.

Most people are fine with a power fantasy every now and then, I think. Also, there are plenty of games that both have and don't have such themes, so it would be weird to be upset about it (unless we are talking about a franchise "mutating" to add/remove said power fantasy, and betraying expectations, perhaps).

I think it's fair to say the game appealed more to straight men, although if we talk about catering, then we have to consider what's the target audience of the game as well (assuming they did it consciously).

It was not more appealing to straight men by accident.  The game was certainly a product of its time but I do believe they did it very consciously.  Nearly every female was bisexual, several of the females had big bouncy jello boobs and revealing outfits.  All of that is fine.  I am not leveling accusations and criticisms at the original game, I am just stating what I believe to be true about it. 

I can't help but be excited that the sequel will include some fun stuff for straight women and dudes like me though.  :)
Title: Re: Another Vampire: The Masquerade Game
Post by: Wesp5 on May 19, 2019, 10:30:08 am
It was not more appealing to straight men by accident.  The game was certainly a product of its time but I do believe they did it very consciously.

Maybe we should look at some statistics here, like how high is the percentage of homosexual women and men playing video games? Wikipedia mentions numbers around 1-5 %, so each developer needs to justify to put additional work into a game for a very small number of potential additional sales.
Title: Re: Another Vampire: The Masquerade Game
Post by: mdqp on May 19, 2019, 10:42:49 am
It was not more appealing to straight men by accident.  The game was certainly a product of its time but I do believe they did it very consciously.  Nearly every female was bisexual, several of the females had big bouncy jello boobs and revealing outfits.  All of that is fine.  I am not leveling accusations and criticisms at the original game, I am just stating what I believe to be true about it. 

I can't help but be excited that the sequel will include some fun stuff for straight women and dudes like me though.  :)

Well, I think I mentioned it here and there before, but I make porn games for a living. All of my games have female protagonists and they are all bisexuals, pretty much, but rather than a conscious choice to court the straight male audience, that's just what I like (or to put this another way, as an heterosexual, I'd have a hard time being interested in writing, say, gay erotica, so that didn't make it into my games).

I think people read too much into certain things. If some people aren't overly interested in appearances, they'll just put something in the game they find visually pleasing and call it a day, they don't necessarily think "how can we get those horny teenagers riled up?", most people are not so calculating, or at least I hope so.
Title: Re: Another Vampire: The Masquerade Game
Post by: DarkZephyr on May 19, 2019, 12:25:02 pm
It was not more appealing to straight men by accident.  The game was certainly a product of its time but I do believe they did it very consciously.

Maybe we should look at some statistics here, like how high is the percentage of homosexual women and men playing video games? Wikipedia mentions numbers around 1-5 %, so each developer needs to justify to put additional work into a game for a very small number of potential additional sales.

Agreed, as I said, the game is a product of its time.  I was just making an observation. It isn't an attack or insult to the game.  I love the game. 
I was simply making an observation because it came up in a discussion about the term "male power fantasy", a term I very much disagree with as applied to VtmB, as I stated above.

I do think that in the year 2019 there seems to be a bit more call for additional types of content.   I am glad more and more games have it. 


I think people read too much into certain things. If some people aren't overly interested in appearances, they'll just put something in the game they find visually pleasing and call it a day, they don't necessarily think "how can we get those horny teenagers riled up?", most people are not so calculating, or at least I hope so.

Its just my observation.  Its not a big deal.  Folks like myself have a lot more to look forward to in gaming than we did back in 2004 and that is a good thing in my book.  No sense lamenting how things once were.  I am excited to look to the future. 

I wasn't aware that you developed pornographic games, but that's actually very cool.  If I had the talent for such things I would probably do it too but I suck lol

Speaking of which, I just noticed that House Party has had a major update and that update includes finally adding a fully seducable dude to the mix.  So that is awesome.  I purchased that game awhile back and have kept it installed on my PC because I knew that EVENTUALLY they were going to add that kind of content.  lol 
Title: Re: Another Vampire: The Masquerade Game
Post by: DarkProphet on May 19, 2019, 12:46:38 pm
It was not more appealing to straight men by accident.  The game was certainly a product of its time but I do believe they did it very consciously.

Maybe we should look at some statistics here, like how high is the percentage of homosexual women and men playing video games? Wikipedia mentions numbers around 1-5 %, so each developer needs to justify to put additional work into a game for a very small number of potential additional sales.

Agreed, as I said, the game is a product of its time.  I was just making an observation. It isn't an attack or insult to the game.  I love the game. 
I was simply making an observation because it came up in a discussion about the term "male power fantasy", a term I very much disagree with as applied to VtmB, as I stated above.

I do think that in the year 2019 there seems to be a bit more call for additional types of content.   I am glad more and more games have it. 


I think people read too much into certain things. If some people aren't overly interested in appearances, they'll just put something in the game they find visually pleasing and call it a day, they don't necessarily think "how can we get those horny teenagers riled up?", most people are not so calculating, or at least I hope so.

Its just my observation.  Its not a big deal.  Folks like myself have a lot more to look forward to in gaming than we did back in 2004 and that is a good thing in my book.  No sense lamenting how things once were.  I am excited to look to the future. 

I wasn't aware that you developed pornographic games, but that's actually very cool.  If I had the talent for such things I would probably do it too but I suck lol

Speaking of which, I just noticed that House Party has had a major update and that update includes finally adding a fully seducable dude to the mix.  So that is awesome.  I purchased that game awhile back and have kept it installed on my PC because I knew that EVENTUALLY they were going to add that kind of content.  lol

I never played House Party. To be fair, I haven't looked into it much because a quick glance at the gals in the game from the store page makes them look to be very lacking in personality. Party girl "personality" (if you can call it that) is fine for one or two characters, but they all look to be of that ilk. I like my womanfolk with really vibrant personalities.
Title: Re: Another Vampire: The Masquerade Game
Post by: mdqp on May 19, 2019, 01:29:13 pm
Its just my observation.  Its not a big deal.  Folks like myself have a lot more to look forward to in gaming than we did back in 2004 and that is a good thing in my book.  No sense lamenting how things once were.  I am excited to look to the future. 

I wasn't aware that you developed pornographic games, but that's actually very cool.  If I had the talent for such things I would probably do it too but I suck lol

Speaking of which, I just noticed that House Party has had a major update and that update includes finally adding a fully seducable dude to the mix.  So that is awesome.  I purchased that game awhile back and have kept it installed on my PC because I knew that EVENTUALLY they were going to add that kind of content.  lol

Oh, I hope I didn't make it sound like it's a big deal either, I just wanted to say that I'd prefer to believe the people working at Troika (and working in the industry in general) were mostly motivated by passion (although I assume they did consider the appeal of certain elements in their games). Then again, I work pretty much alone, bar my testers and the artists I commission art to, so it's more personal for me, and I assume larger companies have to be more cynical when putting together a game.

I bought House Party a while ago as well, although I was waiting until they improved the UI and performance a bit. I was mainly interested because I think it's possible for players to write their own scenarios (the original one is a bit of a mixed bag, IMO), and I assumed users would eventually provide some good stories and more.

There are a lot of people who try making adult games, but drop them or don't make very interesting games because they lack programming skills, so engines with low barrier to entry are always interesting. Well, I kind of lack a proper background in programming myself, but there are plenty of engines that don't really require that (although depending on which one you start using, you'll probably need to learn some coding skills, to customize/polish this or that element). Well, I guess it would be more accurate to say that like any other field, many people are interested, but very few are able to commit the time and effort, or have the skill required to create something worthwhile, especially among those who take it as a hobby.
Title: Re: Another Vampire: The Masquerade Game
Post by: DarkZephyr on May 19, 2019, 02:43:17 pm
I never played House Party. To be fair, I haven't looked into it much because a quick glance at the gals in the game from the store page makes them look to be very lacking in personality. Party girl "personality" (if you can call it that) is fine for one or two characters, but they all look to be of that ilk. I like my womanfolk with really vibrant personalities.

I know that you can write your own stories for it but I am not sure how far that goes toward changing personalities. 

Oh, I hope I didn't make it sound like it's a big deal either, I just wanted to say that I'd prefer to believe the people working at Troika (and working in the industry in general) were mostly motivated by passion (although I assume they did consider the appeal of certain elements in their games). Then again, I work pretty much alone, bar my testers and the artists I commission art to, so it's more personal for me, and I assume larger companies have to be more cynical when putting together a game.

I bought House Party a while ago as well, although I was waiting until they improved the UI and performance a bit. I was mainly interested because I think it's possible for players to write their own scenarios (the original one is a bit of a mixed bag, IMO), and I assumed users would eventually provide some good stories and more.

There are a lot of people who try making adult games, but drop them or don't make very interesting games because they lack programming skills, so engines with low barrier to entry are always interesting. Well, I kind of lack a proper background in programming myself, but there are plenty of engines that don't really require that (although depending on which one you start using, you'll probably need to learn some coding skills, to customize/polish this or that element). Well, I guess it would be more accurate to say that like any other field, many people are interested, but very few are able to commit the time and effort, or have the skill required to create something worthwhile, especially among those who take it as a hobby.

Yes, you can make your own stories.  I am hoping a bunch of people will come forward and make some good dude on dude ones.  lol 

When I was younger I had an imagination and I considered myself a fairly decent writer.  I wrote stories and poetry and a song or two and I would draw these interesting and wild, unique characters (not that my drawing skills were great mind you).  But somewhere along the road I seemed to lose that spark.  One of these days I might try writing again to sharpen my imagination.  If I can get that thing revved up again, maybe I can start working on games.  Probably more as a modder though than as a developer. 
Title: Re: Another Vampire: The Masquerade Game
Post by: mdqp on May 19, 2019, 04:03:01 pm
Yes, you can make your own stories.  I am hoping a bunch of people will come forward and make some good dude on dude ones.  lol 

When I was younger I had an imagination and I considered myself a fairly decent writer.  I wrote stories and poetry and a song or two and I would draw these interesting and wild, unique characters (not that my drawing skills were great mind you).  But somewhere along the road I seemed to lose that spark.  One of these days I might try writing again to sharpen my imagination.  If I can get that thing revved up again, maybe I can start working on games.  Probably more as a modder though than as a developer.

More people trying to do stuff they like can't be bad, so I hope you give it a chance, if you have the time.

On a completely different note, how do you quote multiple messages on this forum? Whenever I hit quote in the post editor, I never get the quote added.
Title: Re: Another Vampire: The Masquerade Game
Post by: Highwayman667 on May 19, 2019, 04:08:25 pm
On a completely different note, how do you quote multiple messages on this forum? Whenever I hit quote in the post editor, I never get the quote added.

I usually cut out the bits and keep the [ / quote ] parameters.
Title: Re: Another Vampire: The Masquerade Game
Post by: DarkZephyr on May 20, 2019, 12:48:39 am
Yes, you can make your own stories.  I am hoping a bunch of people will come forward and make some good dude on dude ones.  lol 

When I was younger I had an imagination and I considered myself a fairly decent writer.  I wrote stories and poetry and a song or two and I would draw these interesting and wild, unique characters (not that my drawing skills were great mind you).  But somewhere along the road I seemed to lose that spark.  One of these days I might try writing again to sharpen my imagination.  If I can get that thing revved up again, maybe I can start working on games.  Probably more as a modder though than as a developer.

More people trying to do stuff they like can't be bad, so I hope you give it a chance, if you have the time.

On a completely different note, how do you quote multiple messages on this forum? Whenever I hit quote in the post editor, I never get the quote added.

I hope I give it a chance too!

As for the multiple quotes, I first hit "quote" on the first person's post that I want to respond to, take the time to make my response and then copy the whole thing, the quote and my response.  Then I go back a page and scroll down to the next person I want to respond to, hit "quote" and paste the text I copied from the previous one above the second one.  Then I scroll down and respond to the second one and hit "post".  If there's more than 2 people I want to respond to, I usually do the copy and paste thing but I will paste it into a word document or something, and do it again and again for each post I want to quote and once I have made my response to each section, I copy the whole thing and then just hit "reply" in the thread I am responding to and paste all of it into that reply and then hit "post".  I hope this all makes sense. 

Edit:  I guess to simplify it, I could just say "I use copy and paste".  lol
Title: Re: Another Vampire: The Masquerade Game
Post by: mdqp on May 20, 2019, 07:23:30 am
I usually cut out the bits and keep the [ / quote ] parameters.

I hope I give it a chance too!

As for the multiple quotes, I first hit "quote" on the first person's post that I want to respond to, take the time to make my response and then copy the whole thing, the quote and my response.  Then I go back a page and scroll down to the next person I want to respond to, hit "quote" and paste the text I copied from the previous one above the second one.  Then I scroll down and respond to the second one and hit "post".  If there's more than 2 people I want to respond to, I usually do the copy and paste thing but I will paste it into a word document or something, and do it again and again for each post I want to quote and once I have made my response to each section, I copy the whole thing and then just hit "reply" in the thread I am responding to and paste all of it into that reply and then hit "post".  I hope this all makes sense. 

Edit:  I guess to simplify it, I could just say "I use copy and paste".  lol

Good to know I wasn't missing anything obvious, for the multiple quotes. I was really puzzled by this, and I thought it was weird to copy paste my replies like that, but I guess not. XD
Title: Re: Another Vampire: The Masquerade Game
Post by: Barabbah on May 20, 2019, 11:00:52 am
It's possible fixing this bug (or just remove the "insert quote" button in the "post reply" window, just to not have a link misleading to something it won't do)?
Title: Re: Another Vampire: The Masquerade Game
Post by: Leorgrium on October 19, 2019, 11:51:16 am
It will be titled Vampire The masquerade - Swansong

"Recent events have caused Kindred society to reevaluate how it protects its existence in modern nights. As the Camarilla retreats into itself, unknown threats on the horizon could see the collapse of the Ivory Tower itself.

Weave between the intertwined tales of 3 vampires, each belonging to a different clan of the Camarilla, confront their bias and unravel fact from fiction. Navigate the whispers of conspiracy, murder and power struggles. Protect your clan, discover the truth, and above all protect the Masquerade!"


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EHOu92PWwAAd_qb?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: Another Vampire: The Masquerade Game
Post by: Highwayman667 on October 19, 2019, 10:38:24 pm
Weave between the intertwined tales of 3 vampires, each belonging to a different clan of the Camarilla

No Gangrels then :'( ...
Title: Re: Another Vampire: The Masquerade Game
Post by: Wesp5 on October 20, 2019, 10:31:05 am
I really wonder what these games are supposed to be? After the B2 delay they can't be something big, maybe some choose your path adventures?
Title: Re: Another Vampire: The Masquerade Game
Post by: Nanaloma on October 21, 2019, 02:25:47 am
I really wonder what these games are supposed to be? After the B2 delay they can't be something big, maybe some choose your path adventures?

Someone will try it and let us all know.  Hint to "somebody".  :)
Title: Re: Another Vampire: The Masquerade Game
Post by: Leorgrium on June 25, 2020, 02:01:49 pm
 :smile:

Quote
Get a FIRST LOOK into the world of Vampire: The Masquerade - Swansong at Nacon Connect on July 7th 19:00 CEST. Are you ready to step into the World of Darkness? #NaconConnect (https://twitter.com/hashtag/NaconConnect?src=hashtag_click) @worldofdarkness (https://twitter.com/worldofdarkness) #vamily (https://twitter.com/hashtag/vamily?src=hashtag_click)
https://twitter.com/VampireSwansong/status/1276135508616327169 (https://twitter.com/VampireSwansong/status/1276135508616327169)
Title: Re: Another Vampire: The Masquerade Game
Post by: Leorgrium on July 07, 2020, 06:08:14 pm
Trailer
Title: Re: Another Vampire: The Masquerade Game
Post by: Wilhelm-Streicher on July 07, 2020, 06:15:21 pm
Trailer
Sorry i couldn´t care less for render trailers or just an interview what the game might be. I need gameplay.

Edit: Is the PC version an Epic Store exclusive?
Title: Re: Another Vampire: The Masquerade Game
Post by: Leorgrium on July 08, 2020, 10:59:32 am
Edit: Is the PC version an Epic Store exclusive?
Timed exclusivity :)

https://twitter.com/VampireSwansong/status/1280793984160366593
Title: Re: Another Vampire: The Masquerade Game
Post by: edx on July 24, 2020, 07:43:15 pm
Just to add, some information on the other Werewolf game was released, it is a visual novel with some rpg elements:

Steam: https://store.steampowered.com/app/1342620/Werewolf_The_Apocalypse__Heart_of_the_Forest/ (https://store.steampowered.com/app/1342620/Werewolf_The_Apocalypse__Heart_of_the_Forest/)
Gog: https://www.gog.com/game/werewolf_the_apocalypse_heart_of_the_forest (https://www.gog.com/game/werewolf_the_apocalypse_heart_of_the_forest)

(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQ7CulMwjHk)

There are some first impressions in youtube too from a variety of people.
Title: Re: Another Vampire: The Masquerade Game
Post by: mdqp on July 27, 2020, 10:14:24 am
I like visual novels, so normally I could be a a potential buyer, but oh boy! All the projects for the World of Darkness games so far (with the exception of Bloodlines 2) look so damn cheap, and the one that came out already really made a poor impression overall. This one too looks rather cheap, judging by the gameplay video I checked. I understand not wanting to develop games that could compete with Bloodlines 2 directly, but there is a fine line between what's being pushed out now and that. If Paradox wanted to do something small but still interesting, and experiment to find new formats to use the setting with, they might at least try various genres (like, a small point and click adventure, for example), rather than churn out visual novels.
Title: Re: Another Vampire: The Masquerade Game
Post by: edx on July 31, 2020, 09:18:18 pm
Good to see the site back.


A developer blog series from the makers of Swansong (in facebook):

DEV Blog #1 - Say Hello To BIG BAD WOLF
https://www.facebook.com/notes/vampire-the-masquerade-swansong/dev-blog-1-say-hello-to-big-bad-wolf/2671759646400635/ (https://www.facebook.com/notes/vampire-the-masquerade-swansong/dev-blog-1-say-hello-to-big-bad-wolf/2671759646400635/)

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